WHAT? A FILLER?? X___X

Postby ~Dragoness~ on Mon Nov 05, 2001 2:07 am

Oh, I am mighty surprised. I wait around two weeks then I come back to FMS.. A FILLER? <P>:: is outraged ::<P>
Hehehe, just kidding Alice. I love the filler, I'm not sure if its an oekaki one or not, but I get to see a cute picture. Just wondering, when will you finally be able to get that new page done?
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Postby Bunnie on Mon Nov 05, 2001 7:21 am

While I'm anxious to see the next comic, I'm glad that the talented Alice is doing research first. It shows she really cares not only about the readers opinions, but her own growth as an artist. It's always good to challenge oneself.
Anyway, I love FMS, and keep it up!
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Postby Sapheire on Tue Nov 06, 2001 3:10 am

I'm sorry!!!!! ;;;;;_;;;;; hehe j/k, I just wanted to put something there since, well, halloween is over... ^^;; well I do have a new page for you guys, just check the site tomorrow. ^__~ (still gotta scan and stuff)<P>Sorry about being slow on the pages, but I meant what I said.. I really do want the fight sequence to look decent. I'm so bad at that! And I'm sitting here looking at the original version and it's SO BAD. there's even a label on it that says "fight sequence that looks so bad it needs a label". Anyway, that's not what I wanted to convey here in the new version! I've already layed out the next few pages (which include the fight) but I want some more pose references before I finish them off. There's a few more pre-fight conversation pages first though, and I'll see if I can get them all up this week. hehe the fight itself is actually pretty short. it IS good to challenge oneself, but I don't want to overdo it. ^_~ Thanks, Bunnie, for the kind words!! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> <P>Alice
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Postby Bunnie on Tue Nov 06, 2001 7:37 am

Hey, for the fight scenes, what do you use as refrences? It always seems like when I try to draw a fight scene out of my head, everybody looks stiff, there lacks a fluid motion to it. At least that what MY problem is with fighting scenes, not to mention pretty much any dynamic action. I dunno, maybe I should just pop in a Martial Art DVD and put it in freeze frame? Or maybe WWF's greatest hits? Naw... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/tongue.gif">
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Postby CursedElementalNuuva on Wed Nov 07, 2001 5:28 am

Bunnie, that might be part of your problem...<P>Even when your drawing from Human action (WWF, Jackie Chan, etc.) You'll also be drawing with the limits of human mobility. And stiff humans give stiff drawings. I recommend you get a nice Spiderman comic. (Anime is also not entirely great at learning action from since they go for stiff powerful "one shots" and thats usually it. If you find a good one for reference let me know!! PLEASE!)<P>The secret of dynamic figure is to leave a chunk of reality at the door....Exagerate your movements, camera angles and effects of everything in the sequence and you'll be amazed at your results.<P>When I draw action I like to imagine that all of my characters are made out of a stiff rubber-like substance. Remember that your structure is going to still bend at the joints and not at the bars, but that doesn't mean the bars don't bend or recoil.<P>As for my choice of camera angles, they still could use work, so I couldn't Really tell you where the best places to put them for action would be. On top of that everyone directs differently, so in the end You've GOT to be you. So the most I could tell you is to don't be afraid of being wild, and don't be afraid of using up a CRAP load of paper on practice.<P>Now, with the subject of Filler, I wish I COULD make a filler. . .heck I wish I could get my site somewhere other than geocities by this point. Hopefully CEN will be officially moved thanks to Jeiden. I'm also working on a Elfwood gallery that should be up soon.<P>Anywho that's my two cents.<P>Jed<P>PS- if anyone wants to question my knowledge of drawing dynamics, just ask Alice. Her word should be good enough. Or just wait for my site to move and you'll see what I've learned about dynamics.
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Postby ~Dragoness~ on Wed Nov 07, 2001 5:29 am

Yay, many pages to come!! *dances*<P>Me? Well.. :: in a meek voice :: I just draw. No references. Big explanation for how crappy my work turns out.<P>Ed, hows that CEN going? I wish you're site could update, I really want to see what happens. *loves Nuuva with dear life*
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Postby Sapheire on Wed Nov 07, 2001 11:19 am

personally, I like to work from real life, or watch movies, but I don't freeze frame, I just do some gestures from watching stuff in motion. Generally, that's how I get some good poses. Although Jed's way is definately good too, he's waaaaay better at action sequences than me. Exaggeration is definately good, although in my case I can't do it too much, because I actually want the FMS characters to look like they move more humanesque. ^_~<P>Alice
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Postby Mental flux on Thu Nov 08, 2001 9:32 am

brain wrinkle -> to start it off - characters face eachother; have it at the edge of a field that meets a dark forest. in the distance either a river or 3 large trees. camera angle start in lower left or right from the back of the defender. the defender could stand at the position of rest - feet shoulderwidth apart, knees slightly bent, shoulders slouced strait down,and hand hanging loosly at the side. the attacker would be at a full sprint<P>camera shift in 1/4 turns to the front. first move up to waist level ,, attacker starts to build spell in far hand; defender still asumes the position of rest. second movement, shoulder hight, full sideways view - characters on opposite ends of screen, flare getting bigger; defender still at position of rest. third movement, just above head level. attacker's flare stays the same in size but shows refinement; defender either goes to a defensive stance or starts a powerhouse of a spell. last movement, above head, facing defender - the first strikes 3 seen 4 not.<P>the shift to up and facing forest would get rid of the sky and put the reader in a dark uncertain place. having the defender stand still would portray a great differance in the characters. but dose not have to show one being greater ofr it.<P>i wrote that in hope that at least one part of it would inspire you. who knows it may sprk something completely different in your head. .it is always hard to start out on something, at least i find it that way. well have fun in how ever you decide to do it. o_
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Postby Bunnie on Thu Nov 08, 2001 9:59 am

Tanks 4 the advice! As for action scenes, I guess I'll have to stick with a middle ground kind of approach. I think I'll just practice A LOT with real models, and once Im happi with myself I can get crazier and more free. Comic book references are great though, since comic artists tend to bend the rules in certain ways that seem to universally work and look good, why reinvent the wheel and totally invent a new approach?(although completely inventing your own style sounds romantic, doesnt it?) I have a Playstaion magazine subscription, and alot of the cover art is very dynamic, plus they always have and "interview" with the artist showing all of thier prelim sketches wich may be potentially helpful references?
But yea! More FMS! So happy! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">
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Postby ~Dragoness~ on Sat Nov 10, 2001 12:55 pm

Oooh!! Mental Flux, nice to have you here ^_^ I betcha you didn't realize I'm Dragoness from pOnju.com, didja? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> <P>The description.. Helped a LOT! Now I have more time to draw than to study since I've finished my tests. I'm off to print your descriptions.. *runs*
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Postby CursedElementalNuuva on Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:48 am

Hey I have an Elfwood Gallery now!<P>Its at:
<A HREF="http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/e/d/edadams/edadams.html" TARGET=_blank>http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/e/d/edadams/edadams.html</A> <P>not much up yet but I'm getting there. Still tell me whacha think. And Dragoness, you'll be finding Nuuva in his costume changes there before he does in the comic. (I bring this up because she seems to be CEN's biggest fan so far.)<P>Ed
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Postby Sapheire on Wed Nov 14, 2001 3:00 am

woo lots of ideas! Wow, mental flux, that's so cool sounding!! ^___^ I like drawing fights between wizards/magicians. Those are fun, I can handle those. ^___^ My problem is that neither of the guys fighting this time are, uh, magically inclined. So it relies mostly on movement and stuff, and it has to look, well, like it makes sense. arrgh. sometimes I wish I'd made Sapheire use a sword, it's so much easier to get references for swords. But then again, if I did, EVERYONE would have swords. I mean, Vaela and Kuthra both do... Arrgh. <P>Ooh, I was going to put this on another post, but I guess I'll just post it here--our new temporary schedule is EVERY OTHER DAY, or every 2 days. I mean to eventually work back to a DAILY schedule, but right now, it just isn't working. Let me get on a semi-crazy schedule THEN see if I can do daily. ^_~ <P>Ooh Jed has elfwood finally! I shall go and look immediately! ^_~ <P>Alice
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Postby Gillikin on Thu Nov 15, 2001 9:29 am

Yea! Alice is back! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> I don't care what schedule you're on, just as long as you put comics up. So is it going to be a Tues - Thurs - Sat comic for the moment, or will it vary? ::dances 'round the room 'cause he's got a new FMS::<P>------------------
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Postby Sapheire on Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:03 am

Well, it's every two days, so it's tues-thurs-sat-mon-wed-fri-sun so it changes a little every two weeks. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/tongue.gif"> <P>^__^ Alice
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Postby ~Dragoness~ on Sat Nov 17, 2001 8:39 am

WHOO!!! AN ELFWOOD GALLERY FROM JED, AND TWO NEW PAGES!! <P>Erck. Stupid caps.. >.<<P>Oh and.. Welcome back Alice ^-^;;
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Postby Mental flux on Sun Dec 02, 2001 5:44 am

*bangs head against screen*<P>here i kept coming back to see if anyone commented on my post and i just sat there waiting for a color to change on the thread heading, or a tiny little farrie to come out of the computer and tell me in berry sander's voice that a movement online has occured. *continues banging head into computer screen* must.........remember..........look ........at.........last.........post date.<P>glomps dragoness<P>thanks alice. i'll try and work on a couple of non magic battle scenes for thee<p>[This message has been edited by mental flux (edited 12-02-2001).]
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