Submission: Impossible

Postby Throbbin Johnny on Mon Jul 02, 2001 2:56 am

The syndicates mission, if they choose to accept, is to syndicate Johnny...<P>Just wanted to to let the fellow CE Refugees
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Postby Yupyop on Mon Jul 02, 2001 5:15 am

Don't stop now. You're on a roll, create your next strip. I don't want you going postal on your mailperson while you sit waiting for a reply <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">
Now tell us what your strip is about,please. If you have a scanner post one of your strips! Let us know if we can help stuff a ballot box in that contest.
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Postby Throbbin Johnny on Mon Jul 02, 2001 6:56 am

Johnny's toon is called "Here Comes Success
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Postby Wimpystuntmen on Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:13 am

Hey awesome. You never know. I hate the waiting though. <P>I meant to submit to The New Breed this time last year and it took me a year to get it done. I thought up a strip idea in February, wrote 31 strips in a week and spent a few hours trying to draw 2 of the characters (which I didn't like). That's as far as I've got. These things naturally take time. <P>Good luck and let us know as the letters (and hopefully calls) come rolling in.
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Postby Throbbin Johnny on Fri Jul 20, 2001 6:43 am

Well...got rejection letters from Universal and Tribune today. One's bad enough, but two in one day!!! Why don't they just steal Johnny's milk money and give J.Diddy a wedgie while they're at it!!! Criiiiiipes...<P>Tribune at least sent J.Diddy a personal rejection. Johnny's name on the letter and everything. It was one of those <I>"it's not you, it's me"</I> speeches you get from your girl when she's dumping you. Tribune at least attempts to let you maintain some semblence of dignity. Universal, however, bluntly states <I>"No, it's you, not me. I'm fine, but you...you need to go. Now. My date will be here in 10 minutes, so get a steppin'. You're just not man enough for me, junior!"</I><P>Two down, three to go. Maybe the next letters will sling mud at Johnny's family. Maybe they'll stop by, run over J's cat with their monster truck. <P>Boo-hoo-hoo...<P>"Throbbin' Johnny
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Postby Yupyop on Fri Jul 20, 2001 9:21 am

Hey at least you are trying, unlike Mike, Yupyop's alter ego. Someday I'll visit my typewriter again.
Maybe now you can give us fans a peek at your comic. Considering the terrible stuff the syndicates have launched lately I understand them as well as I understand women. The Tribune rejects "Down To Earth" but picks up "Lewis". Johnny,it is them!
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Postby Pinot on Sat Jul 21, 2001 5:40 am

Hey, Johnny. I know how bad rejection letters feel. Just wait till you're up against one other cartoonist for the next launch, you've heard nothing but positive things about your strip and then you get a phone message you retrieve during your vacation that basically says, sorry, but someone else came in at the last minute we like better than either of you, so we're throwing your sorry strip out the door with no hope of further consideration for later launches. Try other syndicates.<P>That happened to me last summer!
It's a tough biz! <P>Johnny, I suggest you take Yup up on his idea to show some of your work here. We can give you the feedback you need. If the you don't get that from the syndicates themselves, then you have to get it from SOMEwhere. It's absolutely vital if you want to get a contract. Hey, I'm the queen of rejections. I've had more than a dozen concepts spit on. I know what syndicates like and what they don't. <P>Just an idea.
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Postby Throbbin Johnny on Sat Jul 21, 2001 6:04 am

Johnny will post his toons as soon as the next letters come in. Dumped at the last minute, Pinot...ouch. Johnny would be mental right now!<P>And...Johnny has yet to use his scanner, so Johnny has to learn how!!!!! <P>Johnny figured his toon was better suited for the web, anyhoo. Gotta try...<P>Thanks for the support!<P>"Throbbin' Johnny
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Postby Yupyop on Sat Jul 21, 2001 9:51 am

Dawn, I remember you mentioning how much you "enjoyed" the creation of "James". I can understand why UP would grab the talented Ruben award winner Mark Tonra. But I always wondered why that cost you your place in line. Was your strip too similar to "James" or UP's next strip, "Preteena"? Or maybe another strip from another syndicate? What was the strip about? What was UP's excuse for not keeping it in development? Have you given up on it and why? And can we have a peek at it?
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Postby Wimpystuntmen on Sun Jul 22, 2001 3:38 am

Yeah this is a tough business and I sometimes think of throwing it in - but wouldn't it be cool when someone says "what do you do for a living" to say "I'm a professional cartoonist".<P>When you can, post your stuff. It's great to get feedback no matter what it is. I know Elephant Tales as it is won't make it but you learn alot from it. And the best thing is you can go away disillusioned for a few months and then come back later when you've renewed your vigour not having lost too much. So now maybe take a break, concentrate on the body building and come back to cartooning fresh with new ideas and story lines, etc. Or not.<P>After my batch of rejections last year I was about to give it away but it always comes back and bites you again.<P>Good luck for these last 3 syndicates.
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Postby Pinot on Sun Jul 22, 2001 5:32 am

Mike, the answer to your questions is pretty much what Jeff just said. To be fair to Universal, they gave me the chance to fix what they thought was wrong with the strip (too many characters for a just-launching strip...I had five, they usually like starting with 2, 3 max). But I was so burned out at that point, I didn't feel like looking at the thing. I still haven't looked back at it.<P>At the same time I got this rejection, my treasured daughter went off to college. That was extremely hard for me. I use writing as therapy, and started a strip about this situation...it became very autobiographical. It was a pleasure to write again. <P>After I had 6 weeks or so, I sent the script to Lee. So it started all over again, only this time not with a development contract (which I would never do again...it was an interesting process, but not really very helpful). Universal was considering this strip, my panel and one other for launch in Sept. They chose the other guy. They want me to change my strip in ways I don't really want to, so that leaves the panel, which they will probably launch in Jan. Right now I'm working on a stand alone Sunday-only strip that Jon and I can do together. Jon has decided not to do Cloud 8...trying to force a more cutesy style isn't comfortable for him. Lee is going to give it to two artists he thinks will work. But I have final say, of course.<P>Actually, I'm very proud of the Sunday strip that we just started working on. I've never made that claim about any strip I've done before. This one if very different, like nothing anyone else has ever done, to my knowledge. It's not the kind of thing most in the Toontalk crowd will like, but I think it's very good. We'll see.
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Postby Yupyop on Sun Jul 22, 2001 10:02 am

Thanks for the reply, Dawn. One of my favorite things I get from these forum is insight to life as a cartoonist. In my personal quest for why good strips such as "Down To Earth" get rejected while terrible strips such as "Dear Dudley" get launched, I have noticed a few trends. New strips nearly always begin with few characters and situations. Once established it expands in cast and in situations. I guess this is so the reader can become comfortable with the new comic. It prevents the reader from becoming lost and overwhelmed by too much information at once. It's also one of the reasons, despite long periods in development, most strips take a year in print before really hitting its stride.
I think the problem with "DTE", for example, is it has too many characters and different storylines. But because it has developed over time on the web it would be hard to start over at the beginning.
Pardon some rambling thoughts here...Syndicates want experienced cartoonists who have proven they can handle deadlines. The major syndicates would be unlikely to pick up "Cool Cat Studio" despite Gisele Lagace's talent because Lagace can't meet deadlines...If an unexperienced cartoonist had the ultimate comic strip idea and the Podunk Times editorial cartoonist had an comic about lint, the major syndicates would pick the comic about lint...No wonder I'd rather turn "Telly" into a book than search for an artist.
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Postby Pinot on Sun Jul 22, 2001 10:36 am

Yes, it makes no sense to me that a cartoonist who had a FAILED strip gets more consideration than someone who hasn't failed! Many of the launches in the past two or three years -- James and Heart of the City included -- have been by cartoonists who have proven nothing but that they can't attract an audience. That's the way I look at it anyway.<P>BTW, unlike the other major syndicates, there is no "place in line" at Universal. For example, United will fill their strip pipeline 2 years in advance! Universal makes every strip earn it's launch in real time. Just because a strip was considered in the Fall, doesn't mean it's going to be considered next Spring. <P>It's smart not to bind themselves contracturally. That's why they got James when all the other syndicates were wanting it, too. They were able to promise a launch in two months! No other syndicate could come even close to that timeframe. <P>I respect Universal's business sense. It's stupid for United to plan and to contract for a penquin strip to come out in May 2002. What if King launches one in Jan 2002? <P>But back to the first point, yeah my little panel might not seem like much (though panels earn the same weekly rate as strips), but it gets my foot in the door. I figure if it's successful, in a couple of years I could launch whatever strip I darn well want! Though by then I may not want to. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> <P>
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Postby Throbbin Johnny on Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:19 am

Rejection Letter from the Washington Post contest just came in. Damn, that was the one Johnny really wanted, too. Two more to wait for...<P>Busy working on the panel toon for my .com job anyways, so it's probably for the best...for now! <P>Winter and fall rejuvenate Johnny's creative libido, and much throbbing will be done...<P>"Throbbin' Johnny
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Postby Wimpystuntmen on Tue Aug 28, 2001 5:37 am

Sorry to hear about the rejection. There's still plenty of time though. That's what's great about cartooning - you can keep coming back, the doors never fully shut. Which conversely is also one of its problems - it can be like gambling, "I'll just give it one more try"... and there goes 7 years of your life. I think you got it good though Throbbin, you've got a good balance of work, exercise, fun and cartooning. That's the way it should be, in wimpy's opinion.<P>wimpy since johnny began throbbin (ie. 1971)
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Postby Yupyop on Mon Sep 03, 2001 6:45 am

Johnny, I still want to read your strip. Its hard to take the Post seriously when they advise cartoonists to see what's published and do something different, but then pick HUMBLE STUMBLE which has the same premise as Tribune's MONKEYHOUSE.
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