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Postby Tall DAn on Sat Jan 05, 2002 8:57 am

Hey, what Animations are in your "Hallowed Halls"? The COMCS secton issmewhere ese- so stick to animation.<P>I grew up hating Flintstones, and Jetsons, but Scooby was king.<P>Now, I dig on old Sam & Max, Invader Zim, Batman Animated (the OLD ones!), Big Guy & Rusty the Boy Robot. I am planning on getting the Robotech DVD's SOOON!!!<P>------------------
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Postby Raemonde on Sat Jan 05, 2002 10:48 am

We watch a lot of anime. <B>Outlaw Star</B> was nice, <B>Cowboy Bebop</B> ruled, and <B>Trigun</B> is king, baby.<P>(<I>Now watch Rob derail Dan's thread.</I>) ;)<P>I watched just about any cartoon that came on, "back in the day". Wasn't too critical back then. I actually prefer a lot of the older cartoons to today's though... cos back then, cartoons weren't made <I>for kids</I>. Now they are. And it shows. Badly.<P>Things have definately wussified over the years. I remember some years ago when they started showing <B>Warner Brothers</B> cartoons on a Monday-Friday basis, but whenever there was a gunshot they would freeze frame and have it happen "offscreen". --As if there were actually any gore there anyway! What, Daffy plugging Elmer's rifle with his finger and then having his beak blown off and his upper-torso covered in spent gunpowder is too traumatic? They don't show any of the good WWII ones anymore either. Even on the collections, you only get the "clean" ones; the ones that don't show the little German/Japanese dudes. Why the hell not? I think it's fun to laugh at Hirohito and Hitler. That's why it was done in the first place... show their soldiers as brainless twits and have a good laugh at their expense. --Don't think they didn't do the same to us. WWII propaganda is a small hobby of mine, and I've seen both sides. Wow, people could get offended! Well... that's what it was meant to do... make fun of people-- <I>back then</I>! It's meant to make fun of the soldiers on the other side of <I>World War II</I>, not today's Germans/Japanese. And yeh know, if some old Nazi wants to complain about it... they can go to hell. How the hell's a friggin Nazi going to make a claim that he shouldn't be stereotyped when their entire platform was about the subjugation of non-whites and Jews? (Although I wouldn't be surprised if he won, the way we've wussified society so far.) Yeh know what, f*** the Nazis, <I>we won</I>.<P>Um... but yeh, anyway, I don't watch much television anymore, let alone cartoons. All I can think of is <B>Zim</B>, and whatever <B>Raka</B> tells me I have to buy (or he'll kill me).<P>.Rae
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Postby Tall DAn on Mon Jan 07, 2002 8:46 am

they so had an an Japanese one...and it was just as "Patriotic"...<P>------------------
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Postby Raka on Tue Jan 08, 2002 2:16 am

Oooh, new fan! New Fan! <P>*ahem*<P>Welcome to Rae of Darkness. Don't mind the depressed wolf in the corner, he's always like that.
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Postby Raemonde on Tue Jan 08, 2002 2:36 am

--And I'm not a goth. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>But yes, welcome! I'm going to put up a notice on the main page sometime today about our little undeclared "vacation"... we should be up sometime in mid/late January again.<P>Lazer War's one've my favourites too... look for more of it in-- <B>THE FUTURE</B>! I'm currently working on cleaning/dialoguing <B>Lazer War II: The Revenge</B>, and <B>Lazer War III: (no title yet)</B> is in pre-production, which promises to be the best LW yet (it might be lying though).<P>So stay tuned--! Or... tune back in mid/late January, or somethin. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> Naturally, the forums and my <a href="http://raemonde.livejournal.com">journal</a> are still open. (Also I tend to announce new stuff in the journal, so there's another good reason to check it. Plus, I'm very lonely.)<P>.Rae
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Postby BlackTigr on Tue Jan 08, 2002 9:26 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raemonde:
<B>But yes, welcome! I'm going to put up a notice on the main page sometime today about our little undeclared "vacation"... we should be up sometime in mid/late January again.<P>Lazer War's one've my favourites too... look for more of it in-- THE FUTURE</B>! <P>So stay tuned--! Or... tune back in mid/late January, or somethin. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> Naturally, the forums and my <a href="http://raemonde.livejournal.com">journal</a> are still open. (Also I tend to announce new stuff in the journal, so there's another good reason to check it. Plus, I'm very lonely.)<P>.Rae
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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm very glad to hear that you plan to do more of the Lazer War stuff. I think it will be worth seeing.<P>On the lj point, I wasn't going to add you as a friend without your express permission. Which I was going to ask for *in* your lj when I got my access back. Gee, surprise, you beat me to it. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>You're welcome to look at mine, but don't expect earth-shaking revelations of wisdom or shadowy displays of gothdom. The pic on the splash page for my site is something of an injoke. It's how I dressed up for the premiere of X-Men. I'm not normally that goth. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>I will come back for the banter, if the forum stays alive enough. If not, I'll come back for the comic and try to raise the dead forum.<P>--BT
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Postby BlackTigr on Tue Jan 08, 2002 11:16 am

My current animation favorites are Escaflowne, the english version...Those Who Hunt Elves, for the comedy...and Anastasia.<P>To cross topics, my fave comic of all time would have to be CatWoman (what else?) under Balent. The books between the beginning of the series and Zero Hour were eminently readable, and boy, would I love to be drawn like that. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>
Now comes the obligatory drooling fangirl stuff...<P>I love the way you draw Rae's clothes. Having spent a few years in the Detroit goth scene, I know of quite a few people who would fit in his gear, and all of them kept saying they weren't goths, either. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> Gawd, the mirrorshades alone are worth searching the archives for...<P>The Lazer War story arc was well-done. There are no *fouls* in wartime... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>I look forward to seeing much more of these characters in the future. And the boards are quite funny.<P>--BT
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Postby Raemonde on Wed Jan 09, 2002 1:39 am

Eh, the more people adding me to their 'friends' list the better. ;) I actually first stole the idea from <B>Aaron Holm</B> (who writes and draws <B><a href="http://www.joeaverage.org">Joe Average</a></B>, when I noticed his. I didn't even know what "<B>Live Journal</B>" <I>was</I> at the time; only that it looked cool and that I had a web-comic... sort've... and it's an easy way to announce stuff and cross-promote. Mmm... anyway, no permission required. ;)<P>>"don't expect earth-shaking revelations of wisdom or shadowy displays of gothdom"<P>--Is that what I'm supposed to be doing? ;) Seriously, any 'gothiness' I display, I'd rather call being macabre/depressed. To many people (and so, now, to me), "goth" evokes images of the "death clowns" as I call them - the ones who try too hard to look like vampires/"The Crow". They have, like it or not, redefined the word, thanks to excess media misinformation. I'm not going to defend "goth" anymore, because in the end, it means <I>nothing</I>. It's just a word. I appreciate the darker aspects of existance and emotion (mostly in artistic expression), the juxtaposition of "beauty", etc, and I even dig some of the music now and then. --But I don't consider myself part of the scene, despite the dark clothes and trench coat.<P>--Oh, and "wisdom"? Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! ;) I just write about boring crap and whenever the strip comes up.<P>Mindless banter is what keeps forums alive... make a topic; any topic (within reason).... I'm not reserving the use of the forum for discussing the comic. It's convenient for that use, but really, there's more interesting things to talk about. ;)<P>(Side note: I've also found that posting in the SJ forum every now and then is a great way of promoting.) ;)<P>And hey, dig my new icon, courtesy of <B>Salama</B>! Too big for LJ, and I don't know how functional it would be for LJ anyway, but neat, eh?<P> <IMG SRC="http://raeofdarkness.keenspace.com/images/RaeWar.gif"> <p>[This message has been edited by Raemonde (edited 01-09-2002).]
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Postby Raemonde on Wed Jan 09, 2002 3:55 am

Heh heh... Dan's an arachnid at heart (always trying to get me to let him play an Ananasi). Me, I've got a thing for Weaver-spiders, so that's why we try to enforce "order" now and then. I'm admittedly a bit more chaotic though.<P>I do Vampire and Werewolf, myself (primarily Werewolf), but we don't do a lot of LARP. --Basically, if we've got really cool scenes (like a "wake" for a fallen Garou I did once... that was pretty cool), or if we're really bored, or just basically don't want to get dice out, we'll do it, but even then we're not terribly public about it. We usually either do it in a deserted park (late in the day/night) or inside a residence, and nobody really dresses up for it. I'd like to now and then... I even bought two pairs of plastic fangs (werewolf), but I don't think anyone else in the group is into it. --And that would also mean I'd have to wear heals, stockings, and skirt/dress for one've my characters... and I think that'd be just a little too weird for everyone involved. (I don't even want to be a lumberjack....)<P>I'm not the person to ask about artwork though. ;) I barely know photoshop, and I just play around... I know nothing of color-theory or shape or anything. (Lazer War was colored by <B>Chaodin</B>, who actually has talent, as opposed to me.) Anything that looks really good that I've done has been picked up from <B>Chaodin</B>, <B>GasGiant</B>, or <B>Tall Dan</B>.<P>Um... but anyway, back to the thread: I like older cartoons better than newer ones. There's exceptions, but I think a lot of the newer ones are stupid; particularly the ones written with kids as their target audience.<P>- - -
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Postby BlackTigr on Wed Jan 09, 2002 6:04 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raemonde:
<B>Eh, the more people adding me to their 'friends' list the better. no permission required. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>To many people (and so, now, to me), "goth" evokes images of the "death clowns" as I call them - the ones who try too hard to look like vampires/"The Crow". <P>I appreciate the darker aspects of existance and emotion (mostly in artistic expression), the juxtaposition of "beauty", etc, and I even dig some of the music now and then. --But I don't consider myself part of the scene, despite the dark clothes and trench coat.<P>Mindless banter is what keeps forums alive... make a topic; any topic (within reason).... I'm not reserving the use of the forum for discussing the comic. It's convenient for that use, but really, there's more interesting things to talk about. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>(Side note: I've also found that posting in the SJ forum every now and then is a great way of promoting.) <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>And hey, dig my new icon, courtesy of Salama</B>! Too big for LJ, and I don't know how functional it would be for LJ anyway, but neat, eh?
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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No need for Ten--I mean, permission...Good. I will talk about the comic a bit amongst my friends and when I get the inspiration, post a little something on my lj.<P>Funny you should say vampire when you describe the New Goth. That's how I got "in" to gothdom. I'm more gamer than vamp, tho. I'd rather have the sword with the cape than the eyeliner. The goth clubs I have gone to have all been bad copies of one another...Dark places full of empty people with loud music and flashy lights. The bathrooms are enough to make your average Cat cringe, and I'm not a huge fan of blotting out sins and griefs in a bottle.<P>I'd have to say that it was a whole lot more fun wearing my *white* cape to play Vampire. Heaven forbid I blend with the crowd... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> Besides, I make a better Bastet than a Daughter of Cain any day. They just won't let me play one of them. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/frown.gif"> It messes up their lil' ole' storyline. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> And don't even get me *started* on live action Werewolf...I guess I'm just not into the drum circle at a visible place on campus thing.<P>I've been known to start discussions about on/off topic things in a forum. I do prefer to know what ya'll are into before I go so far off topic. Since you said "art", maybe we can start up a thread that involves informing me how to get into this "coloring" biz. There is one drawing in particular that I'd like to do well...a recent self-portrait, of sorts.
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/blacktigr_art/longing.html?1009498073710" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/blacktigr_art/longing.html?1009498073710</A> <P>I am something of a newbie on the SJ boards, but as those guys treated me well, I post there a lot. Besides, they seem to have something to say about what I have to say. And isn't that what conversation's all about?<P>Love your icon. Reminds me of the game ShadowRun, or the Mirrorshades anthologies. I had thought, when I first saw it, that the black thing in the background was a motorcycle. It fits....sorta. I think I'd have to go back and compare to remember what it really was.<P>The pose is a great action pose. I can almost "see" his muscles straining, but he's still on balance enough to grip his gun. The lettering underneath is a nice post-modern touch. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> And, since I've been studying tonal values for my painting...I can also say that the tones of the reddish-orange "floor" set off the bright green lettering quite well. The "graffiti" on the wall in the background doesn't do a half bad job of that, either. All in all, a cool thing to have to represent yourself.<P>My icon on livejournal was done by an artistic friend, but the picture in question had to be cut down for me to use it. (Actually, I could use the whole thing, but, not to be ungrateful, most of it is not drawn as well as the face.) People keep asking me if it's my own work. While I find it flattering that they want to compliment it, when I say "no", they seem to get somewhat tongue-tied. It *is* a one-of-a-kind, at least so far... Maybe that just proves to me that I should color something of mine and use it instead.<P>See ya `round...<P>--BT
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Postby Tall DAn on Wed Jan 09, 2002 10:31 am

Lked the Sketch.
HA! Rae couldn't kill he thread, so he hird someone else to do it!<P>------------------
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Postby BlackTigr on Wed Jan 09, 2002 12:26 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tall DAn:
<B>Lked the Sketch.
HA! Rae couldn't kill he thread, so he hird someone else to do it!<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>*twiddles thumbs and smirks with an innocent look*
I didn't do nuffin'...<P>Honestly, though...I have trouble with the concept of topic in a forum. Conversation is a living medium, whatever form it takes, and sometimes it is a lot more fun to let go of the reins.<P>--BT
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Postby Tall DAn on Thu Jan 10, 2002 11:43 am

Quote lol:<P>. Conversation is a living medium<P>..But we're typing and reading...isn't that DIFFERENT? lol like movie vs book vs illustration? mwahahaaaaaa Dan, the Dark overlord of all technicalities has ARISEN!<P>------------------
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Postby Sivade on Wed Feb 06, 2002 10:39 am

I dig Samurai Jack.<P>In the past, I was into Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, X-men, the Disney line-up (Rescue Rangers, Talespin, Gargoyles, etc), and one more I can't really remember.<P>But before <i>THAT</i>, there was Bionic 6. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 7698 on Wed Feb 06, 2002 10:57 am

Let's see... I like Invader Zim (which is being cancelled), Baby Blues, Evangelion, Simpsons, Serial Experiments: Lain (my absolute favorite), Doraemon, and good anim
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Postby Raka on Fri Feb 08, 2002 9:28 am

Heh, Lain? You like Lain? God, that's just good for screwing with your head. Like Evangalion. I don't think those are my types of flicks. Of course if you liked Tenchi and Evangalion, you need to see Parallel Duel! That and Photon. Well, you ahve to be liberally drunk for Photon, but it made me laugh. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> And I loved Zim, have several episodes downloaded from Morpheus. The Critic, Simpsons, Family Guy, stuff like that I dig too. Guess i'm more comedy than drama.
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Postby Tall DAn on Sat Feb 09, 2002 12:39 pm

A moment of silence for Zim.<P>AND THEN GET READY TO GO HUNT THE JERK THAT AXED HIM!!!! >(
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Postby Brotherchris on Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:03 am

hey guess what I'm still alive in the forums!!!<P>All the cartoons I watch now are pretty much Anime.(by anime I meant GOOD anime.<b> Trigun, Cowboy Beebop, Outlaw Star, Orphen, Sorcerer Hunters, Bubblegum Crisis 2040</b> and some others.) Ever since they started running Poke'mon every freaking day I've stopped watching TV for cartoons. <P>I mean there was A time when the WB had good shows Ex. "Freakazoid"(HUGBEES!!!!!) and after about two seasons It's cancled for I think for (I'm not sure) "HISTERIA" now that is just sad.<P>On TV now there is only three cartoons I watch now since I don't have Cartoon network. The Simpsons, Futurama, and Family Guy.
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Postby Gasgiant on Thu Mar 14, 2002 11:20 am

American cartoons used to be good, but then some idiot mothers decided that cartoon violece was wrong. They started boycotting Looney Tunes! Loony Tunes! Buggs and Elmer, who doesn't like Buggs Bunny? What I don't get is why they would boycot it. Didn't half of them grow up with them? Then to top things off, some idiot kid decided to act out something he saw on TV.

Now everything has to be "politically correct" and kid friendly. What the hell is that? Now most american cartoons SUCK!!!

The rest of the world... No one complains. Now on that topic, the Japanese have the best cartoons. They have no one coplaining about content, and the quality is really good. I mean, they just kick ass!
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Postby Tall DAn on Sat Mar 16, 2002 9:37 pm

well...the WB stuff IS getting stale. CRAPPILY STALE. Justice League? NO character interaction- BUT new media. Batman Beyond- well it stretched, but not very far (hence didn't "make it good". Heck, I can HANDLE the way Superman was drawm when he first came out...BUT to CHANGE BATMAN?! >( PAH!

And genndy T./ cartoon Network? Massacred Anime does not a "cool anime block" make. Samurai Jack has a little going for it with all the inside jokes, but just keep hoping that they keep shoving all those cartoons we hoped would DIE down our throats so you can have material... I liked PPG when it first came out- it was fresh. But like a music star or bulemic actress that we have nowadays, they should <B>DIE YOUNG WHILE THEY'RE AHEAD!!! </B>
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