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ThingfromtheDeep · Post by **ThingfromtheDeep** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 6:56 pm

Do you think (assuming humans last that long) God will be eventually forgotten or simply thought of as a fairy tale, and that anyone caught praying will be considered a lunatic? Your thoughts, please.

Later...

Krikkit · Post by **Krikkit** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 9:54 pm

Until we can unlock the secrets of the origin of life on earth completely, and the origin of matter itself, every culture will have its myths about these things.

This assumes that we dont have a holocaust that blows our average level of education worldwide back to mideival status, at which point we will start the entire process of scientific learning over again.

Demawox · Post by **Demawox** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 10:59 pm

That or God unleashes the Horsemen and we all die. I guess no one would be discussing God again

Arcaton · Post by **Arcaton** » Sun Mar 31, 2002 11:19 pm

"God is dead" - Nietzche
"NO I'M NOT - YOU ARE" - God

Grendelwulf · Post by **Grendelwulf** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 12:05 am

I think people will always have religion as something to lean on. I mean we still have belief systems that go back thousands of years. I don't think that they'll ever disappear. We might believe in different things, true, but they won't go away. (No matter how hard we swat them with a broom.):)

Michael Ezaiany · Post by **Michael Ezaiany** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 3:48 am

It might happen, why not? Everything is possible since they gave my bro a driver's license.

Vazagi · Post by **Vazagi** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 3:56 am

I too don't think that the belief in god will ever completely disappear. Many of the religions of today, and probably those of tomorrow are based on the existence of some loving (or at least watching) deity and since you can't prove the nonexistence of someone who is supposedly (all/very) powerful. It could just have fabricated the evidence of its nonexistence to confuse humans. However i think that if we - mankind that is - gain a greater degree of personal understanding, the need for a god will fade.

Pink · Post by **Pink** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 4:09 am

well my religion is a little odd... I was originally a Buddhist for 8 years... and one day (this was years ago when I first met Lore at our high school) he invited me to his house... he had a statue of Bastet there... it was very odd as the moment I saw it I was compelled to touch it and love it.

After that day I kept having dreams about Bastet visiting me... and although I knew very little about her (and in some ways still do) over time she tought me about herself.

Now about you saying human beings need a god or such like.. well it is more reverse for myself and bastet. She needs me more than I need her. Although now I have grown dependent on her she still needs me.

The strange thing is I only believe in things if I have seen them, which is why I will never believe in the christian God... but Bastet has overly prooven her exsistence to me and therfor I have accepted she is real and love her the way she loves me.

I dont think the christian God doesnt exsist... I just dont persanlly think he does. But I still respect anyone and there beliefs. Who am I to tell human beings what they should think... and more to the point why should I care?

Vazagi · Post by **Vazagi** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 4:18 am

I personally think that the Christian god himself knows very well that other gods exist and perhaps that man is capable of creating new gods by themselves. Why else should he make it a commandment not to believe in other gods? Cause if there is no other gods and man is unable to create new gods, then it would simply be a waste of time for all involved...

Krikkit · Post by **Krikkit** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 4:20 am

Or, the law of having no Gods before the christian God was a calculated move made by the engineers of the religion to keep the constituants from splitting off and creating other religions, or fence-sitting with multi-deitic pagans of the time.

Vazagi · Post by **Vazagi** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 4:29 am

Hmm, that fits nicely. Since it would give more power to those who controlled the religion (the priests) when people had to go to them for all their spiritual needs. A consolidation of power...

Pink · Post by **Pink** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:43 am

There are millions of other gods, big and small.
And the fact that there is more than one time line and one dimention means there are far more Gods than we could ever know the number for. There is an invinate amount of dimentions....

But in a sense the Christian God is a very self centered one. I was talking to a good friend the other day who is a Christian and he too agreed that the christian god was a very jelouse and possesive one.

But thats only having known what humans have wrote about him, the bible has been changed so many times and noone has eve met God anyway. For all we know God might not even want to be God....

Gen.Talon · Post by **Gen.Talon** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 8:13 am

I guess there will ALLWAYS be a religion out there. Somone will beleave in some god. For me right now I guess i'm in a time of confusion.
I guess i'm like this one guy in a one panel cartoon made by an artist called Andy Singer. It shows one man on his knees looking like he is on the breaking point of insanity. The thought bubble above his head shows many diffrant religious symbols. (Cross, Star of david, an Ankh, yinyang symble, etc..etc..etc..) some guy is walking toward him saying to the crowd. "Step aside folks, I'm a metaphysician" heh heh.

For me though I do not beleave that god will ever fade from our civilization.

Pink · Post by **Pink** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 8:41 am

I wouldnt believe in any god at all if they didnt talk to me first...

I dont see the point of worshipping something that isnt there...but thats my honest opinion

Michael Ezaiany · Post by **Michael Ezaiany** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 8:45 am

On 2002-04-01 08:41, Pink wrote:
I wouldnt believe in any god at all if they didnt talk to me first...

Reminds of a quote I heard somewhere, but I can't remember where it was.

They wouldn't believe the truth, not even if it jumped out of bushes and bit their ass off...

Andrick · Post by **Andrick** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 8:57 am

The religious need not even have a god for the dogmatic faithful to heap upon adulation for what is theirs and condecension toward any who do not adhere to their faith. I see the close-minded bigotry of followers to 'pure science' or scientology or selfishness or any of a myriad of cultish groups which denounce god but behave in the same way xenophopic, deity-worshipping faiths do. It is sad but understandable. People need something to believe but belief is not enough for many; the need for exclusivity and superiority outweighs their need to understand. Such individuals are found everywhere and can be typically discovered when they open their mouth with a 'why your beliefs are wrong' statement.

Pink · Post by **Pink** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 9:42 am

with the jumping out of the bushes and biting me on the ass I dont really need to worry about that.

I have my own persanal reasons for believing/disbelieving in God. But seeing as Bast came to me I have no reason to disbelieve her.

course that could be just me... I'm not one for being closed minded when it comes to anything.

I believe in anything and everything... just not before I see it. This does NOT mean I disbelieve in God... I just havent seen him/her/it yet.

DJ Pirtu · Post by **DJ Pirtu** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 10:15 am

I actualy like the idea of God becoming nothing but a feary tail.
I think that religion has caused so much of the pain and suffering of this world that it should/could vanish.
But on the other hand, religion isn't all that bad. There are many things that should be remembered about how to live with other humans to keep up a working society.
To stop the killing for religion and to preserve its good sides, it could/should change in to something else. Like a feary tail.

Supernerd · Post by **Supernerd** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 10:36 am

Pink, you're weird

In a good way, of course.

I have a rather different way of viewing the world, in which I state that I believe in Nothing At All. Not God, not Bastet, not grilled cheese sandwiches (even if I do worship them). I'm perfectly willing to accept that other people have had different experiences than me, experiences that would likely change my mind if I had them. Who knows, right?

One thing that I'm rather confused about is that great big thing we call Love, since my minimal experience with it has been quite convincing that there's something rather supernatural about the whole thing, but for now I can explain the reasons Love seems magical away and retain my healthy (?) state of cynicism. It's all in a days pretending-to-work.

Michael Ezaiany · Post by **Michael Ezaiany** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 10:49 am

Welcome to the forum, Supernerd!