Ok...Who is this punishing exactly? Seriously. If SilverBlue doesn't even *know* that she is repeating herself every day, and she doesn't even know that every day she is giving up the chance to escape hell forever, what is the punishment?
She will only have that said evening to lament over it, and I don't think that's hardly the way Hell would work.
Now, I have never said anything against Dave's work before, and I am finding myself hard pressed to say something now. But still... any ideas on why things are like this?
Dave...youre input would be greatly appreciated, if you can do so without revealing too much.
Thanks!
Punishment?
I'm not sure that it is supposed to be a punishment. Rather i think that she has been deemed unready for heaven and thus have been put in this loop so that she has a chance to break it and gain freedom. The forgetting part may also have the function of making sure that she does not sink deeper into sin that she already is, ie she starts from the same point each day.
Of course I'm probably wrong...
Of course I'm probably wrong...
Threads don't have points... Needles do.
I think her amnesia is selective - she is just prevented from remembering what would help her find a way out of Hell, so she has to start making it out every day. Everything else, she seems to remember pretty well - expecially, what she would be glad to forget 
And I guess we are going to know very soon why she was damned... stay tuned.
Thinking of it - this is a spine chilling punishment - she screwed up her life, and now she screws up her afterlife - day by day - and she is prevented from learning from experience...
And I guess we are going to know very soon why she was damned... stay tuned.
Thinking of it - this is a spine chilling punishment - she screwed up her life, and now she screws up her afterlife - day by day - and she is prevented from learning from experience...
Long live and prosper
Hehe...if you ask me allot of people in the living world are stuck in this loop so to speak. they go through the same torment every day, something they could, if they wanted to change the way their life works if they jumped at the chance. they don't though, they just forget they where ever given that chance either by bitterness or pride.
Looking outside of the box that contains us all and what thread we are in the tapestry of life isn't an easy task. we have to remember that in this comic we are 'outside' looking in on this little ant farm of a world. so we can easly say that it isn't right. we see everything that goes on. however silver doesn't, knowledge IS power. it empowers us to make the world different for ourselves. Drip has used it before to strip a memory of one of his victims, the one thing that would probly make his torture of her meaningless because she had that knowledge of what she did.
it seems though that every day jack tells her to remember, but she forgets. its easy to choose the 'right' thing to do, when you know the rules. but out doing it for real, unlike a written test isn't so easy. I'm sure they don't want to turn this into groundhogs day but sooner or later i think silver will break the chain, listen to her real feelings perhaps. (no wonder central is always grumpy when she talks to jack, saveing that bunny every day and then getting flipped off would make me pretty bitter too. that and since silver runs into allot of jacks other sins, she probly hates them more than most for the cycle they keep exstending.)
thats what makes this comic so great, you don't know where its going (except to hell) and you often don't agree with it when it gets there.
Looking outside of the box that contains us all and what thread we are in the tapestry of life isn't an easy task. we have to remember that in this comic we are 'outside' looking in on this little ant farm of a world. so we can easly say that it isn't right. we see everything that goes on. however silver doesn't, knowledge IS power. it empowers us to make the world different for ourselves. Drip has used it before to strip a memory of one of his victims, the one thing that would probly make his torture of her meaningless because she had that knowledge of what she did.
it seems though that every day jack tells her to remember, but she forgets. its easy to choose the 'right' thing to do, when you know the rules. but out doing it for real, unlike a written test isn't so easy. I'm sure they don't want to turn this into groundhogs day but sooner or later i think silver will break the chain, listen to her real feelings perhaps. (no wonder central is always grumpy when she talks to jack, saveing that bunny every day and then getting flipped off would make me pretty bitter too. that and since silver runs into allot of jacks other sins, she probly hates them more than most for the cycle they keep exstending.)
thats what makes this comic so great, you don't know where its going (except to hell) and you often don't agree with it when it gets there.
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"I wanted to eat them alive like cereal. I wanted to rip their guts out and shower in their blood." -- Silverblue in Hell
You know, it looks like what God did was grant Silverblue her wish. What she wanted so badly. (At what was presumably the moment of her death? Or a traumatic experience that shaped her personality?). Forever.
I used to listen to radio preachers a lot. Several of them used the term "'Thy Will be done' or '<b>My</b> will be done'" as a metaphor for the difference between the saved and the damned. It looks like in this case, Silverblue's Will be done. Over and over and over and over, world without end, amen.
You know, it looks like what God did was grant Silverblue her wish. What she wanted so badly. (At what was presumably the moment of her death? Or a traumatic experience that shaped her personality?). Forever.
I used to listen to radio preachers a lot. Several of them used the term "'Thy Will be done' or '<b>My</b> will be done'" as a metaphor for the difference between the saved and the damned. It looks like in this case, Silverblue's Will be done. Over and over and over and over, world without end, amen.
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<i>The Dunwich Horror</i> is H.P.Lovecraft's famous short horror novel from the 1920s. <i>Dumbitch Whore</i> is probably a Hellish knockoff of it. (And a possible commentary on Silverblue herself; in that fishnet-goth outfit, she does look kind of sluttish)On 2002-03-04 10:25, Vazagi wrote:
Is it just me or is the book in the first page of the arc titled "The Dumbitch Whore" whereas she called it "The Dunwich Horror" in the newest page...
Remember, Silverblue was reading Lovecraft just before whatever the trauma was that established her personality (and presumably landed her in Hell), and Hopkins is making it more and more clear that everything Silverblue goes through in her "<i>Groundhog Day</i> in Hell" -- the cereal, the blood shower, the arena, the Cthulhu tentacle rape -- is related in some way to that experience; everything she does appears to be reliving it over and over, aspect after aspect.
If the experience that damned Silverblue involved her being raped (as Hopkins has been hinting), the re-enactment has mixed the experience with the Lovecraftia she was reading at the time.
Idea: Could Silverblue not have been killed by the experience(which appears to have been an after-school rape attempt), but committed suicide in the aftermath? I understand in the Islamic version of Hell, suicides are time-looped to continually relive their death over and over and over...
The way its sounding to me it seems as though Silver has some sort of an anger problem, she seems to get mad very easily and take it out on other people. I don't think she's necassarily living an exact loop over and over again because she does mention about how sometimes Jack comes in to the ARena or Bob and Lisa, ect. So there is atleast some variety to her days. But maybe you guys are right and there's just selected things she's not able to remember. We'll jsut have to find out 
I think what silver needs is a little love...do you think she'll marry me? i cook and clean, even if i do leave the seat up! i'll even move into her place as long as i get to keep half my stuff or we can get a little bungalo hell hole on the other side of the city...
I could get a job as a janitor or something, yeah...thats it, hells a pretty messy place. it probly wouldn't pay much but there are lots of opertunity's for overtime...hehe...okay now i'm just being silly but the thought would be kinda funny wouldn't it.
- ol' merl wheeling around a trash can with a wide bristle broom and a mop while yelling at the kids to stop throwing their litter and victims into the street. LOL
heh...i'm thinking we are all going to need a good comedy strip after this story, its one of the most involved ones yet i think. I think your thoughts on the matter are correct though, not sure if i'm rooting for silver to pull out on top yet or not. after all if she leaves hell who we be left to jerk off drip so he isn't just a bastard when he wakes up? =P LOL..
I could get a job as a janitor or something, yeah...thats it, hells a pretty messy place. it probly wouldn't pay much but there are lots of opertunity's for overtime...hehe...okay now i'm just being silly but the thought would be kinda funny wouldn't it.
- ol' merl wheeling around a trash can with a wide bristle broom and a mop while yelling at the kids to stop throwing their litter and victims into the street. LOL
heh...i'm thinking we are all going to need a good comedy strip after this story, its one of the most involved ones yet i think. I think your thoughts on the matter are correct though, not sure if i'm rooting for silver to pull out on top yet or not. after all if she leaves hell who we be left to jerk off drip so he isn't just a bastard when he wakes up? =P LOL..
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Despite her age, Silver makes me think of a young adult between the ages of 19 to 24. Maybe the mind set is locked in that time age period? (Or whatever the hell you call it.)
I also think she is one of Jack's charges (Obviously from his involvement) and he actually is doing his job; try to salvage the souls of the damned.
Oh! I bet you this is the intro to hell and the there is a true hell! I mean, maybe before they become sins they go to a judgment and have the option to be a regular damned soul or a sin. (Elective?)
Now as a sin you have power, a lot of it! but the catch is you have so much time to do something before you get judged again. When they get judged they are re-evaluated on what they did and if they messed up, their punishment would be infinitely worse than simply having the normal hell!
Making any sense?
That could also explain why Central is so weary of Jack. She said something about other sins trying to take advantage or something, maybe she just has a stereotype of sins and lost her faith in renewment?
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Finally, hell is what you make it... doesn't sound much like hell but more like a purgatory to me. Chance to get out of hell? what I've heard there is no way out of hell, hidden judgment, watch if the masses can redeem themselves. What am I saying? this is not hell, sure getting rapped by dolphins is no fun and neither is evisceration... but it can always be worse and I think that the sins singed up for it if they mess up.
I also think she is one of Jack's charges (Obviously from his involvement) and he actually is doing his job; try to salvage the souls of the damned.
Oh! I bet you this is the intro to hell and the there is a true hell! I mean, maybe before they become sins they go to a judgment and have the option to be a regular damned soul or a sin. (Elective?)
Now as a sin you have power, a lot of it! but the catch is you have so much time to do something before you get judged again. When they get judged they are re-evaluated on what they did and if they messed up, their punishment would be infinitely worse than simply having the normal hell!
Making any sense?
That could also explain why Central is so weary of Jack. She said something about other sins trying to take advantage or something, maybe she just has a stereotype of sins and lost her faith in renewment?
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Finally, hell is what you make it... doesn't sound much like hell but more like a purgatory to me. Chance to get out of hell? what I've heard there is no way out of hell, hidden judgment, watch if the masses can redeem themselves. What am I saying? this is not hell, sure getting rapped by dolphins is no fun and neither is evisceration... but it can always be worse and I think that the sins singed up for it if they mess up.
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1) Since she is connected in some way with Jack, and Jack doubles as Wrath, an anger problem makes sense. (Resonates with Jack/Wrath.)On 2002-03-04 12:58, JuJuBean wrote:
The way its sounding to me it seems as though Silver has some sort of an anger problem, she seems to get mad very easily and take it out on other people. I don't think she's necassarily living an exact loop over and over again because she does mention about how sometimes Jack comes in to the ARena or Bob and Lisa, ect. So there is atleast some variety to her days. But maybe you guys are right and there's just selected things she's not able to remember. We'll jsut have to find out
2) She may not be living an exact loop, but she is definitely <i>stuck</i> in living the exact same type of day (filled with reflections of her life) over and over.
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Can't, I'm afraid. Have weird love affair in other comic to maintain. At least no cthuloids are involved in that one. Well, not that much.On 2002-03-04 16:50, Merlark wrote:
I think what silver needs is a little love...do you think she'll marry me?
Hmm, and after the completed arcs are finished, David's characters to abuse. Busy busy busy!
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I'm wondering how much of what happened is true, and how much is in her mind.
Jack said that every day Central tries to help, so Silverblue isn't just imagining Central. Central said that Bob/Lisa deserved punishment for crashing the airliner, so I think Silverblue was really in the clutches of Bob/Lisa.
Does she really shower in blood, though? It's Hell so maybe she does. But maybe she just imagines it.
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Jack said that every day Central tries to help, so Silverblue isn't just imagining Central. Central said that Bob/Lisa deserved punishment for crashing the airliner, so I think Silverblue was really in the clutches of Bob/Lisa.
Does she really shower in blood, though? It's Hell so maybe she does. But maybe she just imagines it.
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>I'm wondering how much of what happened is >true, and how much is in her mind.
But if all that was just imagine in her head. Bob/Lisa, Central, Jack... If the airliner crashed just for that purpose. If the hell was created at the moment she died. If she died? Or is she in mental intitute and imagining all this. Get outta my head!
White rabbits are always busy
But if all that was just imagine in her head. Bob/Lisa, Central, Jack... If the airliner crashed just for that purpose. If the hell was created at the moment she died. If she died? Or is she in mental intitute and imagining all this. Get outta my head!
White rabbits are always busy
You know...in a certain way this actually matches with my personal belief of how hell would 'work'.
The 'damned' are lost in an endless circle...it's a classical image. Think greek mythology...Sisyphus comes to mind, forever doomed to a futile task, as does Prometheus, who is disembowelled every day.
The truly evil can never escape this circle, because their own twisted minds will not let them see the way to escape. Those who merely made bad choices in life will eventually manage to break the circle.
If the artist thinks in any way like I do I'd say that breaking the circle can only occur when the soul in question realizes the exact nature of the punishment. Silverblue's circle prevents just that...without outside intervention, that is. She's essentially balanced between falling into endless damnation as truly 'evil' and eventually rising out of it. Note that any 'outside intervention' we see right now is actually part of the balance...Neither Central nor Jack can actually achieve more than keep her from falling.
But with the possibility of the likes of Fnar and Arloest getting involved...I guess something dramatic is about to happen.
The 'damned' are lost in an endless circle...it's a classical image. Think greek mythology...Sisyphus comes to mind, forever doomed to a futile task, as does Prometheus, who is disembowelled every day.
The truly evil can never escape this circle, because their own twisted minds will not let them see the way to escape. Those who merely made bad choices in life will eventually manage to break the circle.
If the artist thinks in any way like I do I'd say that breaking the circle can only occur when the soul in question realizes the exact nature of the punishment. Silverblue's circle prevents just that...without outside intervention, that is. She's essentially balanced between falling into endless damnation as truly 'evil' and eventually rising out of it. Note that any 'outside intervention' we see right now is actually part of the balance...Neither Central nor Jack can actually achieve more than keep her from falling.
But with the possibility of the likes of Fnar and Arloest getting involved...I guess something dramatic is about to happen.
Can't, I'm afraid. Have weird love affair in other comic to maintain. At least no cthuloids are involved in that one. Well, not that much.
Hmm, and after the completed arcs are finished, David's characters to abuse. Busy busy busy!
Awww well, I suppose it would be selfish of me to ask you to put it all aside for romantic nights on tropical islands playing volly ball in the afternoon sunsets along a white sandy beach....
...anyways, work is more important i guess. *chuckles* I've never been that good with any affairs, never mind love...checkers though, i'm good with that. (^-^)
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