I wish to 'share' this with another community, but am banned for my "attack on christainty/catholiszm"
the one tickling thing about this is I first heard it on a cartoon, but yesterday, apon browsing somones EZ board I read that gods and goddess live off faith, to kill a god you stop beliving in them (unless you are Lady Eboshie(sp?) then plug them full of iron bullets) but...part of this I think I knew alredy, and it seems so right.
thus, recall my "falling gods" post, one god we have is so greedy and inscure it has said that all our favorite "mythical characters" aren't real, and we'll be punished for thinking they are *bawls*
oh, and about 'it' a new bible is comming out giving god a netural gender....and many think it's bad because god has to be a man no?
anyway....who feels like saving some gods? we should band togher and make a petition to revive power to them, they vaguley live on in story books and by those lucky smart convertesrs.
then again, what if Dave's sin characters are gods.....thats frightning.
(I saw a show, and these tribla people say that the creations of humans cannot be claimed as totaly their own without inspiration and help form spirits...thus....'fantasy' may have some reality)
*twitches and adorns flame retardent cloathing*
somthing intresting and sad
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This is interesting. Had never read short story "The frightening Kaa" I don't remember if it was done by Howard or that guy who writes Lankhmar stories because it's lots of time since I read it. Anyway that's a story of guy who invent his own religion to gain some power and money. However when there was enough believers, the "God Kaa" became real and started rampage 
Maybe all the creations get something in them.
Btw. There should be nothing wrong in questioning christianity and katholic church. The righteous stand questioning, and false falls. And there is SO much to question in katholic institution
Maybe all the creations get something in them.Btw. There should be nothing wrong in questioning christianity and katholic church. The righteous stand questioning, and false falls. And there is SO much to question in katholic institution
Wait. You aren't serious are you? I mean, that's a nice idea, but there's nothing to back it up. It's just an argument based on a philosophical point that "Nothing exists until somebody thinks that it exists, then it does exist, but whether as a thought, or as something more, can never be proven."
I mean, it's a cool idea that a God exists cause we believe in them, and die if we don't, but there's no reason to believe that is any more true than any other theory. Is ElSilly a God? If so, is he a God because he claims he's a God, because people believe he's a God, or because he IS a God? Can you prove he is not a God? Am I a God? Are you a God? Is my tabby cat a God? Is this bottle of Dr. Pepper a God?
It's fun to question, but really, lets keep it confined to fun no? I mean, yeah, Dave's character Sin's might be Gods... but they aren't.
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Whoa! I just realized that this sounds like a seriously bitter post! Sorry. I don't mean for it to be.
But on a side note. That community that you were banned from. Did you go into a highly religious community and start bashing their beliefs? Or did you go into a free discussion community and start bashing Catholisism? There is a difference. It's like, did you walk up to someone on the street and start arguing with them, or did you walk into a church and start arguing with them. Freedom of speech only goes so far!
I mean, it's a cool idea that a God exists cause we believe in them, and die if we don't, but there's no reason to believe that is any more true than any other theory. Is ElSilly a God? If so, is he a God because he claims he's a God, because people believe he's a God, or because he IS a God? Can you prove he is not a God? Am I a God? Are you a God? Is my tabby cat a God? Is this bottle of Dr. Pepper a God?
It's fun to question, but really, lets keep it confined to fun no? I mean, yeah, Dave's character Sin's might be Gods... but they aren't.
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Whoa! I just realized that this sounds like a seriously bitter post! Sorry. I don't mean for it to be.
But on a side note. That community that you were banned from. Did you go into a highly religious community and start bashing their beliefs? Or did you go into a free discussion community and start bashing Catholisism? There is a difference. It's like, did you walk up to someone on the street and start arguing with them, or did you walk into a church and start arguing with them. Freedom of speech only goes so far!
Freedom of speech used to go a lot farther. When the ACLU is one of the fiercest proponents of legislating what can and cannoy be said then it is only a matter of time for that freedom to be gone. Alle hageln die politisch korrekte Polizei!
Anyways, so if you get some people together and form the Church of the Chestshire Cat, then it will exist as a god. How will you know? Seems flippant and shallow to me. If things exist only because we believe in them then how did we come to exist?
It seems more like the argument of the brain in a box. How do you know you aren't such? By the five sense you have? Those are nothing more than chemical reactions to electro-chemical pulses. So how can you be sure you are in a body instead of just thinking you are?
Anyways, so if you get some people together and form the Church of the Chestshire Cat, then it will exist as a god. How will you know? Seems flippant and shallow to me. If things exist only because we believe in them then how did we come to exist?
It seems more like the argument of the brain in a box. How do you know you aren't such? By the five sense you have? Those are nothing more than chemical reactions to electro-chemical pulses. So how can you be sure you are in a body instead of just thinking you are?
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Hey you! That's the "Evil Genius" argument by Descartes! 
How do you know everything you see, feel, taste, etc, isn't the product of an evil all powerful genius? The answer: You don't. So Rene Descartes announced the one truth. "I think, therefore I am." Even if it is only for the moment of that thought.
Personally, I like to think there is more to life...
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How do you know everything you see, feel, taste, etc, isn't the product of an evil all powerful genius? The answer: You don't. So Rene Descartes announced the one truth. "I think, therefore I am." Even if it is only for the moment of that thought.Personally, I like to think there is more to life...
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Religion is always a hot topic, but can be interesting and enjoyable if people are not pushing their beliefs upon one another. So let me make it clear: what follows are merely my own thoughts or observations, and are in no way intended to slight or undermine the beliefs of anyone else.
(Phew) Now that that's out of the way.....
I belive that a "God" is only the response to an overwhelming fear of death. We as humans have no way of explaining our origion or fate (what happens after death) and so we create fictional figures and convince ourselves that they higher beings will somehow be waiting for us in the afterlife and all will be good (or bad, depending on your belief structure).
I can't buy any of the major religions, so I made my own. There is a god, yes, but I don't worship him, pray to him, or anything of that sort. He just made DNA some 2.3 billion years ago and has since been sitting around watching but not interfering. Ah, crap, now I'm preaching. Sorry guys, that was not my intent. Anyway, I'm not hesitant to give my opinion or belief, but would like to stress again the point not to take what I just said as an insult.
Oh, and by the way...................My religion is not accepting new members.
(Phew) Now that that's out of the way.....
I belive that a "God" is only the response to an overwhelming fear of death. We as humans have no way of explaining our origion or fate (what happens after death) and so we create fictional figures and convince ourselves that they higher beings will somehow be waiting for us in the afterlife and all will be good (or bad, depending on your belief structure).
I can't buy any of the major religions, so I made my own. There is a god, yes, but I don't worship him, pray to him, or anything of that sort. He just made DNA some 2.3 billion years ago and has since been sitting around watching but not interfering. Ah, crap, now I'm preaching. Sorry guys, that was not my intent. Anyway, I'm not hesitant to give my opinion or belief, but would like to stress again the point not to take what I just said as an insult.
Oh, and by the way...................My religion is not accepting new members.
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'God' is very relative term. For example, you can be your own God, because you can influence your life. You can believe in God as in some unknown force above us or you can believe that God is already on Earth. I stick to the first option. I believe that people can be their own Gods. You can be your own savior, if only you try and change your life in a way you want. As for the Sin <=> God question... well, it could be. Jack is the God of Wrath, Drip is the God of Lust and so on... remember, everything is possible.
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Sorry about that, Striker. The words are directly transposed from english to german so I'm sure the syntax is all screwed up.
One fly in the ointment as far as dealing with this whole 'god' issue. Since I've been unabashedly against religion for more than ten years I'va had fierce debates with friends and acquaintances on the subject. One such friend gave me some literature on research for a medical journal. The research was studying the effects of praying on the healing process. People of five different congregations were each given twenty names of people with similar injuries (total of 100) and asked to pray for them on a nightly basis. The 100 were compared to another 100 patients with like wounds who were recieving the same level of medical care but without prayer (the control group). The people being prayed for healed faster. The real kicker is all two hundred had no idea there were people praying for some of them (no placebo effect). I still don't know how to explain this one.
One fly in the ointment as far as dealing with this whole 'god' issue. Since I've been unabashedly against religion for more than ten years I'va had fierce debates with friends and acquaintances on the subject. One such friend gave me some literature on research for a medical journal. The research was studying the effects of praying on the healing process. People of five different congregations were each given twenty names of people with similar injuries (total of 100) and asked to pray for them on a nightly basis. The 100 were compared to another 100 patients with like wounds who were recieving the same level of medical care but without prayer (the control group). The people being prayed for healed faster. The real kicker is all two hundred had no idea there were people praying for some of them (no placebo effect). I still don't know how to explain this one.
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Bah. It's been virtually proven that the state of mind can effect health. People who go into a state of stubborn denial, for instance, can resist terminal cancer for years while hypocondriacts can litterally make themselves sick with their bad attitudes. So yeah. prayer halps, but they could have been prayingy to the kid on the lego commercial and it would have done the same thing!
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wow! Ok story time.
Once apon a time my friend brought me to the gryphon guild, although they don't admit it or are bad history keepers they hated and flamed me from day one, then being ignored and unloved...everyone had there friends and lovers and they loved there drawings.
thus brooding inside me...gurry darkness...
now...the place need my baddness because rabid newbies are screwing up the place...the popularity game is worse and every one thinks they are soul sibs.
when ITW died they got an EZ board, I suggested a secton to swap respies..but I was ignored and relgion was placed into it.
you never talk religon, there, they have people who are aethiests, pagan, rabid christan who has to save everyone, people who are were (when they are chritain I question them, the bible says nothing about 'he who-eth walketh with the soul of the (insert animal here"! and they banned me because of my humor...
they banned the IP of the colleges computer(they are all connected to the one internet, so all of them are banned!)
I'm so glad I can rant here.
oh know where people tell you not to say "i'm ulgly/stupid/ect" because 'then it will happen'
what if that kinda stuff gives off spiritual energy? thus even fans who think, draw (those things love that, talk about egos) fragment by fragment become real?
If god made us in It/His/her image, then we too, can create no?
oh boy, if those otherd found out about this they'd hang me *laughs*
Once apon a time my friend brought me to the gryphon guild, although they don't admit it or are bad history keepers they hated and flamed me from day one, then being ignored and unloved...everyone had there friends and lovers and they loved there drawings.
thus brooding inside me...gurry darkness...
now...the place need my baddness because rabid newbies are screwing up the place...the popularity game is worse and every one thinks they are soul sibs.
when ITW died they got an EZ board, I suggested a secton to swap respies..but I was ignored and relgion was placed into it.
you never talk religon, there, they have people who are aethiests, pagan, rabid christan who has to save everyone, people who are were (when they are chritain I question them, the bible says nothing about 'he who-eth walketh with the soul of the (insert animal here"! and they banned me because of my humor...
they banned the IP of the colleges computer(they are all connected to the one internet, so all of them are banned!)
I'm so glad I can rant here.
oh know where people tell you not to say "i'm ulgly/stupid/ect" because 'then it will happen'
what if that kinda stuff gives off spiritual energy? thus even fans who think, draw (those things love that, talk about egos) fragment by fragment become real?
If god made us in It/His/her image, then we too, can create no?
oh boy, if those otherd found out about this they'd hang me *laughs*
God may have made us in his image, but no one has ever said if he succeeded at it, t was his first try after all
Perhaps when a god (or other creature) creates life, the object or creature has a much lover potential for creating life than it's creator, so that yes, humans can create, but perhaps only the lowest ie nonliving or very simple life forms, and these would be unable to create new life.
Just a thought...
I don't think that mankind can create in the same way as god, create life, not just reshape it.If god made us in It/His/her image, then we too, can create no?
Perhaps when a god (or other creature) creates life, the object or creature has a much lover potential for creating life than it's creator, so that yes, humans can create, but perhaps only the lowest ie nonliving or very simple life forms, and these would be unable to create new life.
Just a thought...
How about this crackpot theory on 'god' that I picked up a while ago...
(can't remember where it's from, only that it managed to hold my interest for a while...one thing I do remember, though, is that this has been cooked up by a 'serious' psychologist with an interest in religion and Sci-Fi writing.)
God is our term for the collective unconscious mind of all that exists. A brain doesn't think as such. It is just a device to access that common mind. Sentience is not a function of the brain, but rather a measure of the 'connection' to, for lack of a better word, God. As such, true faith (which largely happens on a subconscious level) can affect the 'God' around us, which can, in turn, affect others.
Sounds cheesy? Probably. But hey, we'll never figure it out anyway until it's too late, so it might just as well be like that.
(can't remember where it's from, only that it managed to hold my interest for a while...one thing I do remember, though, is that this has been cooked up by a 'serious' psychologist with an interest in religion and Sci-Fi writing.)
God is our term for the collective unconscious mind of all that exists. A brain doesn't think as such. It is just a device to access that common mind. Sentience is not a function of the brain, but rather a measure of the 'connection' to, for lack of a better word, God. As such, true faith (which largely happens on a subconscious level) can affect the 'God' around us, which can, in turn, affect others.
Sounds cheesy? Probably. But hey, we'll never figure it out anyway until it's too late, so it might just as well be like that
.How about this crackpot theory on 'god' that I picked up a while ago...
(can't remember where it's from, only that it managed to hold my interest for a while...one thing I do remember, though, is that this has been cooked up by a 'serious' psychologist with an interest in religion and Sci-Fi writing.)
God is our term for the collective unconscious mind of all that exists. A brain doesn't think as such. It is just a device to access that common mind. Sentience is not a function of the brain, but rather a measure of the 'connection' to, for lack of a better word, God. As such, true faith (which largely happens on a subconscious level) can affect the 'God' around us, which can, in turn, affect others.
Sounds cheesy? Probably. But hey, we'll never figure it out anyway until it's too late, so it might just as well be like that.
(can't remember where it's from, only that it managed to hold my interest for a while...one thing I do remember, though, is that this has been cooked up by a 'serious' psychologist with an interest in religion and Sci-Fi writing.)
God is our term for the collective unconscious mind of all that exists. A brain doesn't think as such. It is just a device to access that common mind. Sentience is not a function of the brain, but rather a measure of the 'connection' to, for lack of a better word, God. As such, true faith (which largely happens on a subconscious level) can affect the 'God' around us, which can, in turn, affect others.
Sounds cheesy? Probably. But hey, we'll never figure it out anyway until it's too late, so it might just as well be like that
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