Merry Christmas!

WhiteRook · Post by **WhiteRook** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 4:27 am

Happy Christmakwanzakkah!

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 12:16 pm

And so JACK sees it's first Christmas. Yay! In a world where everything must be politically correct, I am going to go against the odds, and wish everyone here a Merry Christmas. If not Christmas, then Channuka, Kwanza, or whatever your faith believes. I would like to take this time to thank everyone here that posts, and especially Dave, because it gives me something to do besides work and school. I enjoy the art, and the diversity of people that visit here.I also want to take this opportunity to thank Dave's Girlfriend, Katie, because she helps Dave so much, I am sure. Plus, she is a GREAT artist, and I hope she at some point thinks about doing her OWN comic! But that is beside the point. Anyway...Merry Christmas everyone! Jen

Ashton Webster · Post by **Ashton Webster** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 12:26 pm

Merry Xmas Angel, Merry Xmas everyone!

DavidHopkins · Post by **DavidHopkins** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 12:29 pm

Merry Christmas Angel
Merry Christmas Ashton
Happy Birthday JessusMerry Christmas every one and don't spend to much time spending over just being there.

Loneheart · Post by **Loneheart** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 2:53 am

Mewwy Christmass and Gawd Bless us, evewyone!

Jen Aside · Post by **Jen Aside** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 3:38 am

Yeeeep, nothing says "Christmas" like a screenful of Drip, if you get what I mean <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/eek.gif">

Calibron · Post by **Calibron** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 6:27 am

Merry Christmas-eve![This message has been edited by Calibron (edited 12-24-2001).]

DavidHopkins · Post by **DavidHopkins** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 6:34 am

Um, I apologies to Mr. Jessus I hadn't planed Drip's penis show up for your birthday.....

Paul_Pinewood · Post by **Paul_Pinewood** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 7:30 am

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Hmm. Diversity of thoughts running in head.At least she put up her own christmas log. Wonder if she decorates it and dances around it singing christmas carols =)Enough of that.Merry whateverday for everyone.
Even Christmas for those who celebrate it.

Mr. Me · Post by **Mr. Me** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 10:08 am

Hello, normally I just "lurk", but reciently I came across some interesting info on the subject.The following I got from a site:""hey, its Xmas here on planet earth.can i ask you something? do you have any fucking idea why you do most -- if not all -- of the things that you do during Xmas? i mean, do you understand WHY you put lights on your house? or why there is this slowly dying fir tree sitting in your living room with tinsel2 all over it? or why you sodomize your goddamn budget every year, buying carloads of presents for family and friends and officemates? i mean, you just do it all, right? you dont wonder *why*. and this time of year, who's got time for wondering, anyway?oh yeah, and all this weird-ass stuff is somehow supposed to be in the name of jesus of nazareth, right? ... ok yunno what?bullshit.yunno how the Churchians are always upset around this time of year because "jesus is the reason for the season"? well guess what. he isnt, and he never really was. the truth is that seasonal festivals around the time of winter solstice were celebrated by human beings *thousands* of years before X3 was even born, with many of the strange customs that we practice today already intact.the ancient mesopotamians had a winter/new-years festival called Zagmuk that lasted for 12 days ("12 days of christmas"?). the egyptians also had a 12-day midwinter festival to commemorate the birth of Horus to the divine *virgin-mother* Isis. according to the story, Horus was born into humble surroundings -- very much like jesus -- and was taken into hiding shortly after his birth to avoid life-threatening persecution -- again, very much like the old christo magnifico.the scandinavians had their Jul or "yuletide" to celebrate the coming of the new year. they liked to burn a big yule log to ward off the winter darkness, and they would tie apples onto trees as a decoration to remind them that spring and summer would return. many other ancient cultures affirmed life in this dead winter time by decorating their surroundings with anything evergreen: pine and fir trees, holly, and poinsettias. and mistletoe also, which was held sacred by the celtic druids and considered *magical* in many other cultures. (not very Xian, that.) and it was quite possibly the norse goddess Frigga who first associated that plant with kissing."christmas as we know it was invented in the 4th century AD. thats right, *invented*. Julius I, *chose* dec 25 as the day to observe The Christ Mass, even though there is no indication that jesus was born on that date."wassailing got its start when ancient peoples would go out in groups and sing to the apple trees to encourage their fertility during the coming year. the merry carolers4 would drink lots of cider, and sing even as they passed people's homes along the way.the persians had their own wintertime festival too. they celebrated the birth of Mithra, who was told to be born of a virgin, and in of all places, *a stable*. does this sound familiar? according to the story, *shepherds* attended the birth, and Mithra never died, but rather, was ascended divinely into heaven on a sunday. no lie. during winter solstice, the Mithra worshippers lit their homes with many candles and fires, for Mithra was the god of light or the sun. oh yeah, and by the way, Mithra was born on december 25.speaking of dec 25, the romans had their big hedonistic feast to worship saturn during this time as well. Saturnalia ran from dec 17-24. all the roman ppl would get together for big festive meals and exchange good-luck presents. there were even parades in the streets. but at the end of that week, on dec 25 (winter solstice) was the BIG day, "Sol Invicticus" or "the birthday of the sun," which celebrated the rebirth of the sun into a new year.ok so, here is your Xmas checklist: we got the 12 days, multiple virgin births, a stable, shepherds, yule logs, holly, mistletoe, and decorated fir trees. we have feasts, parades, singing songs in the streets, the giving of presents, homes decorated with lights and evergreens, and december 25. and we havent even gotten to the jesus-part yet, the so-called reason for all of this. whats the deal?you see, christmas as we know it was invented in the 4th century AD. thats right, *invented*. the bishop of rome, Julius I, *chose* dec 25 as the day to observe The Christ Mass, even though there is no indication in historical documents or the bible that jesus was born on that date. in fact, the best scholars put jesus' birth in late february, citing that it is very unlikely that shepherds would have their flocks out at night during the beginning of the winter rainy season. it is thought that dec 25 was very intentionally chosen as the date for christmas in order to compete with all the "pagan" partying that was going on. in other words, "lets see if we cant get the heathen to stop all this tree decorating and light worshiping by giving them a better holiday to celebrate instead." soon thereafter, it is supposed that emperor Constantine -- a recent convert to Xianity -- made christ's mass an official holiday, and december 25th as we know it was born.""Well, happy Winter Solstice, everyone.

Terrycloth · Post by **Terrycloth** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 11:44 am

My god! I never realized that all the absurd traditions of the holidays are based on ancient superstitions! My entire world has been shattered! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">Er, and anyway, Christmas trees, Santa Claus, etc. are all officially 'secular' intead of religeous, now, at least according to the Supreme Court. So someday someone'll have to add a new layer to the rant to explain that once Christmas meant 'Christ's Mass' and was related to Jesus. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">

Q99 · Post by **Q99** » Tue Dec 25, 2001 3:24 am

Happy Agnostica everyone!

Alfador · Post by **Alfador** » Tue Dec 25, 2001 10:28 am

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DJ Pirtu · Post by **DJ Pirtu** » Wed Dec 26, 2001 7:04 am

This comes a little late, but:
Frohe Weihnachten
Gut Jul
Hyv

WhiteRook · Post by **WhiteRook** » Thu Dec 27, 2001 1:17 am

All of this Jesus bashing just seems to reinforce his mention that christians would be persecuted for his name.

Mr. Me · Post by **Mr. Me** » Wed Jan 02, 2002 7:46 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by terrycloth:
My god! I never realized that all the absurd traditions of the holidays are based on ancient superstitions! My entire world has been shattered! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not just the absurd traditions, but the entire religion itself.

Mr. Me · Post by **Mr. Me** » Wed Jan 02, 2002 7:50 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by WhiteRook:
All of this Jesus bashing just seems to reinforce his mention that christians would be persecuted for his name.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>To merely share historical data is not "bashing" anything.

Yawgmoth · Post by **Yawgmoth** » Wed Jan 02, 2002 9:50 am

Merry Fucking Belated X-MasThere i hope that offends someone ;P

Erzengel · Post by **Erzengel** » Thu Jan 03, 2002 11:16 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mr. Me:
 To merely share historical data is not "bashing" anything.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well "sharing historical data" would be without all those cuss words. cusswords make you sound less knowledgable, no matter how knowledgable you are. Would you mind citing some resources?And yes, christianity has been heavily modified after the disciples because there was no printing press, and priests could modify the bible all they wanted and no earthly being would know. So what if we're stealing a pagan holiday, we're celebrating christ's birth. It doesn't matter if he was born on that day or not, we're still celebrating his birth.
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