Musings: Paladins' Haven Zine?

Postby Schissel on Mon Nov 19, 2001 7:25 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
<B>Also... Before I go to bed... Thought to ask...<P>What information should I make sure to include about the races, hmm?
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Still no thoughts here from this reader... but, will still mull over and ruminate. (Horse who says that, means it?)
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And if the cartoonist of Flipside (linked on the bookmarks page, too tired to find the link now) says it's okay, and I make character interviews like he's done on there, who would you like to ask questions to, first?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><I>That</I> question, turned over for a while, produced entirely too long a list. I hope you're planning on doing this for a few issues with interviews in each. My votes would go for <P>Zavayi (very definitely!!)
Shadowrose
Gina (if she can somehow be convinced not to attack the interviewer or otherwise give an answer that is a change rung on "go'way!!")
Kiyat
Nequii
Irooz
Colone<P>but in later issues I'd be interested in others (Fenni, Erinzo, etc.) as well... there are a few I can think of who would quite obviously (well, ok, <B>probably</B> - people there are who can surprise mightily) give rather boring interviews (well, for the intended audience) not out of reticence but because there's ... erm... apologies for saying this, but "no one home"... so, no requests from this corner for a certain squirrel unless she undergoes major character development, for instance. Wendy is another matter...
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Suggestions! Suggestions!<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I apologize if that was rather too many.<P>Regards
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Postby Shadowed Rose on Mon Nov 19, 2001 7:47 am

*giggle* Ask Mabsters about the chinchillas, yes, and then be ready to run, little horsie. I already picked at him for it more than enough.<P>Umm... Paladin and evil don't work in the same sentence. But... This is Alex talking, she never makes sense. 'Evil' in this case is pretty synonymous with 'nymphomanic'. So...<P>*snicker* Remind me to stop asking for puns. I don't get them, anyways. (F-in' monkey wrench, I knew it, I really did...) <P>Collectible works fine, s'long as they cover my mailing cost. Postage here is EVIL. *nodnod* $.50 or thereabouts, last I checked. For 20g. I suspect mailing the 'Zine would be at least $1.50, and that's within Sweden.<P>Somehow, I think it wouldn't be much use to send a money order for, like, 3-5 dollars worth. Since I suspect just exchanging it for cash would be $2... Stupid post offices...<P>Horsies don't ruminate, far as I know. That's moo-moos. *nodnod* Of course, I have a horse that doesn't chew at all, more or less. Eating is faster that way. ^_^<P>Definitely planning to make it a reoccurring thing for the 'zine. Of course, there'd be like four issues a year, or thereabouts, so it still would prove quite a lot.
I'm acctually surprised about 'Vayi, didn't guess anyone would care that much about her. And I'm equally surprised you ruled out Jaq and kept Fenni. *ahem* Well, there might be some point, still.<P>Hmm... I haven't recieved a reply yet, but I mailed and asked just yesterday or the day before... Preliminary, I'd say all of the characters on your list are nice suggestions, even if a few of them are a bit surprising. Due to plot points, Shadowrose and Erinzo (yes, I know he's not technically on the list, watch me care) as well as a few more are ruled out, for the first issue. Which is a rather good reason it's good you gave that many suggestions.<P>*chuckle* Another front page change is in order... <P>
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Postby Schissel on Mon Nov 19, 2001 8:06 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
<B>*giggle* Ask Mabsters about the chinchillas, yes, and then be ready to run, little horsie. I already picked at him for it more than enough.
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Ok, I'll ask. I wonder if he even remembers me, all this time...
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Umm... Paladin and evil don't work in the same sentence. But... This is Alex talking, she never makes sense. 'Evil' in this case is pretty synonymous with 'nymphomanic'. So...
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Autre temps, autres moeurs, or something... I suppose it depends on their code, and quite a lot else 'sides. Or perhaps, as you said, it has a lot to do with why she retired. Or... a lot of "or"s?
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*snicker* Remind me to stop asking for puns. I don't get them, anyways. (F-in' monkey wrench, I knew it, I really did...)
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"O joy o rapture" (Ozy in Ozy&Millie put it memorably once, during Llewellyn's election campaign) can be a memorably eye-rolling sarcastic world-weary way of summing one's attitude up, sometimes. I just felt that raptor and rapture sounded alike. It wasn't a good pun.
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Collectible works fine, s'long as they cover my mailing cost. Postage here is EVIL. *nodnod* $.50 or thereabouts, last I checked. For 20g. I suspect mailing the 'Zine would be at least $1.50, and that's within Sweden.<P>Somehow, I think it wouldn't be much use to send a money order for, like, 3-5 dollars worth. Since I suspect just exchanging it for cash would be $2... Stupid post offices...
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No, it wouldn't be much use, alas. Hopefully, credit card will work...
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Horsies don't ruminate, far as I know. That's moo-moos. *nodnod* Of course, I have a horse that doesn't chew at all, more or less. Eating is faster that way. ^_^
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Good point. "I'll forget me head next..."
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Definitely planning to make it a reoccurring thing for the 'zine. Of course, there'd be like four issues a year, or thereabouts, so it still would prove quite a lot.
I'm acctually surprised about 'Vayi, didn't guess anyone would care that much about her. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I had <I>quite</I> a few reasons for choosing her. While she doesn't get much airtime, the roles she's called on to play, I sometimes imagine, may be rather - responsible; or perhaps I'm only imagining that she takes her maternal role far more seriously than, say, does Achira. (Due to limited time - library computer, again; I'll be home in 4 or so hours- I think I'll stop there and continue with the rest of the post...)
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And I'm equally surprised you ruled out Jaq and kept Fenni. *ahem* Well, there might be some point, still.
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Fenni and Robin both seem to have more to them than Jaq does (mentally and emotionally) and to have gone through quite a lot more as well (though I'll admit I just don't <B>know</B>, in the case of Jaq, and that might modify a little my view of <I>her</I>) and this certainly would influence any choice...<P>(It wasn't clear, but my initial list was meant to be spread over the first few issues, despite the fact that I then appended yet more names after it, btw...)
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Hmm... I haven't recieved a reply yet, but I mailed and asked just yesterday or the day before... Preliminary, I'd say all of the characters on your list are nice suggestions, even if a few of them are a bit surprising. Due to plot points, Shadowrose and Erinzo (yes, I know he's not technically on the list, watch me care) as well as a few more are ruled out, for the first issue. Which is a rather good reason it's good you gave that many suggestions.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>(Tries to remember- reply to what? Have to look over thread later at leisure- which leisure I am now definitely lacking *g* - and figure that reference out...- and as to plot points, right- Shadowrose, though in Haven before Fenni & Robin arrive (they move into his first room?), doesn't appear in PH until later in the series (pair of ducks?)...
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*chuckle* Another front page change is in order... <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>(Ok, this I don't follow. I definitely need to get more sleep. Ah, right- to clarify what kinds of suggestions and the fact that people who haven't even arrived yet are <I>hors de combat</I> so far as interviews are concerned... right...)<P>BTW-
if I haven't mentioned yet, I <I>really</I> like this idea...
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Postby Shadowed Rose on Mon Nov 19, 2001 8:56 am

There. Look on the front page now to see what I meant with changing it. Doesn't look that pretty, but I wasn't feeling like messing about with it too much. La.<P>
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Postby Schissel on Tue Nov 20, 2001 1:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
<B>Well, I just wanted suggestions, some of them I wouldn't have gone with anyways. Which I think you noticed, seeing how I decimated your list a bit.
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I do think I was wrong, now, to exclude Sah', but ok <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">
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I think I'll typically have five candidates when the time comes to choose a character, the five choseable (is that a word?) varying depending on what's currently in the comic.
Since there are questions likely to come up that I don't want.
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Hrm.
(Remembering rumors that a recent Plan Nine book contained some sort of spoiler to what was then (it's since come and gone) a forthcoming storyline, so an answer to a question's being a spoiler might not necessarily- or it might, of course- disqualify the question, or the answer at that, from permissibility, at the author's discretion... but there are nonetheless excellent reasons for the author to have several ways to screen questions...
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Which leads to the next... Yes, I'll give readers the opportunity to ask questions, I encourage you to go see how it's done over at flipside (still awaiting an answer from the artist, I want his okay before I make the final desicion to include an interview).
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I'll try to before I leave for vacation early tomorrow (my net access will be - not exactly restricted, as I think I mentioned in another thread, after that, but unless I can get permission to install Netscape 3 on the computer I usually use at my parents', I'm limited to comics that don't use PNG images... don't know about flipside.)<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
*snicker* And I can tell you so much, in the next issue or the issue after that, Jaqueleen is definitely going to be among the candidates. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, I can't say she has nothing to tell us. (And perhaps to a particularly well-chosen question - well, that's the thing with interviews, the interviewee always risks revealing more than they'd wished, or thought.)<P>-Eric Schissel
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Postby Schissel on Tue Nov 20, 2001 9:13 am

I'll admit the phrasing of the poll has me nearly bewildered (in a half-good way) - "Whom do you want to interview"- are you offering your readers an opportunity to suggest some of the questions?
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Postby Shadowed Rose on Tue Nov 20, 2001 11:28 am

Well, I just wanted suggestions, some of them I wouldn't have gone with anyways. Which I think you noticed, seeing how I decimated your list a bit. I think I'll typically have five candidates when the time comes to choose a character, the five choseable (is that a word?) varying depending on what's currently in the comic. Since there are questions likely to come up that I don't want.
Which leads to the next... Yes, I'll give readers the opportunity to ask questions, I encourage you to go see how it's done over at flipside (still awaiting an answer from the artist, I want his okay before I make the final desicion to include an interview). <P>*snicker* And I can tell you so much, in the next issue or the issue after that, Jaqueleen is definitely going to be among the candidates. <P><P>------------------
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Postby Schissel on Fri Nov 23, 2001 4:34 am

Odd- can't seem to read the comic Flipside itself at the moment (table nestings?) but the interview page works fine, and clarifies your intentions perfectly.
Hope you can get permission.

So long as suggestions are being polled, have you considered either
1) including short stories (Erigineea-related) in Raptor
and/or 2) having a sort-of see-how-many-questions-reader-can-guess-right mail-in card perhaps regarding future plot points (of Raptor, not current PH, to the extent that Raptor diverges from PH of course- otherwise readers of PH have a bit of an advantage there...- hrm. This would have to be worked, somehow? Or something, anyway...)... contest of sorts...
and/or 3) inviting some sort of extended reader submissions after a certain point?
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Postby Shadowed Rose on Fri Nov 23, 2001 6:42 am

Well, I'd tend to think one would notice if one's question was taken out, and I want to try to have as many of the questions in there as possible, so... Not answering a question may sometimes be just as telling as answering it. So... Some characters I don't want people asking questions to. <P>*snicker* There's a lot of interesting stuff Jaq could tell people, I'm sure. She may be shallow, but she is in the person-sense, not in the character-sense. So she's not a cardboard character, just a very predictable person. At least in some situations...<P>*shrug* Flipside is sometimes incredibly slowloaded, I've noticed, especially the early pages, so that may be your problem. Don't know, just a guess.<P>Don't give me the "You're a tech major, you should know", I get that from both teachers and parents...<P>Including short stories is something I will do, at least in some issues, based on how much room the rest of the material requires. Typically, a long comic or facts article makes for less other material. If I can figure out where to get A3 printer paper and it's possible to put those in our color printer, a double-size pin-up may or may not be in question. Matters on how much I have time to draw, too, pinups and one-panels generally require more working on the coloring to look good. <P>So, inclusion of short stories or the lack thereof depends on space and my ability to write non-smut. There's been blessedly little of that, lately. What I have that isn't incredibly smutty is incredibly disturbing. We'll see. Original artwork will be there.
See-how-many-questions-reader-can-guess-right is a good idea. Based on tiny clues in the rest of the material? *giggle* And silly "pair up item with character" or "pair up beast with country" or similar little things. Good idea, is noted.<P>Extended reader submission... We have the slash contest the guidelines to which I should have mailed myself from school today, and an old story challenge I could revive... <P>Hmm... Opinion... Should I draw and color a flashy front page for it or stick with the one strictly themed with the comic for Issue I? Can do either. The page themed with the comic can be stuck in before the actual comic, stating title of the comic, year, country, such...<P>
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Postby Schissel on Fri Nov 23, 2001 10:53 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
<B>Well, I'd tend to think one would notice if one's question was taken out, and I want to try to have as many of the questions in there as possible, so... Not answering a question may sometimes be just as telling as answering it. So... Some characters I don't want people asking questions to.
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Hrm... quite so, quite so...
(and I wonder who some of those characters might be!)
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*snicker* There's a lot of interesting stuff Jaq could tell people, I'm sure. She may be shallow, but she is in the person-sense, not in the character-sense. So she's not a cardboard character, just a very predictable person. At least in some situations...
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Hrm- interesting distinctions, and thought.
Looking forward to reading that interview, actually...
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*shrug* Flipside is sometimes incredibly slowloaded, I've noticed, especially the early pages, so that may be your problem. Don't know, just a guess.
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I hope that's the reason, and that patience resolves the matter.
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Don't give me the "You're a tech major, you should know", I get that from both teachers and parents...
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and multiply-certified, fully-trained techs and tech support people routinely run into problems they can't solve, too... and ones they just can't solve immediately.
Me, I suspect that this is a case of HTML that my browsers can't handle- nested-or-too-many-or-mismatched tables or table-elements or somesuch. But- it may just require patience as you say!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B><P>Including short stories is something I will do, at least in some issues, based on how much room the rest of the material requires. Typically, a long comic or facts article makes for less other material.
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*nod*
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If I can figure out where to get A3 printer paper and it's possible to put those in our color printer, a double-size pin-up may or may not be in question. Matters on how much I have time to draw, too, pinups and one-panels generally require more working on the coloring to look good. <P>So, inclusion of short stories or the lack thereof depends on space and my ability to write non-smut. There's been blessedly little of that, lately. What I have that isn't incredibly smutty is incredibly disturbing. We'll see. Original artwork will be there.
See-how-many-questions-reader-can-guess-right is a good idea. Based on tiny clues in the rest of the material? *giggle* And silly "pair up item with character" or "pair up beast with country" or similar little things. Good idea, is noted.
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Extended reader submission... We have the slash contest the guidelines to which I should have mailed myself from school today, and an old story challenge I could revive...
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The one from your ezboard?
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Hmm... Opinion... Should I draw and color a flashy front page for it or stick with the one strictly themed with the comic for Issue I? Can do either. The page themed with the comic can be stuck in before the actual comic, stating title of the comic, year, country, such...<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'd suggest the themed page, myself.
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