Musings: Paladins' Haven Zine?

Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 1:19 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
*snicker* I chose the font based only on the nifty name, it's so BORING... And no bold or italic, either.
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Oh- I rather like it.
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I was thinking loosely somewhat the same story as the first storyline, only more story and less gag, more towards the storytelling of LaL.
Rob and Fen's running away and looking for Haven could be illustrated, I suppose, but that'd mean drawing humans.
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*nod* Which as you say you are reluctant to do. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
I have a thing with a bunch of sequential pictures, based around Two Beds and a Coffee Machine by Savage Garden, that's dealing a little with it, in the works.
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(Nod, though this is not on the very short list of songs in non-classical, non-musical theatre genre that I'm familiar with, I fear...) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
Don't know if it'll be finished, seeing as I'd drawn four frames (which take 30 minutes+ each, since there's excessive shading in them. Think one took hour and half or thereabouts) before realizing the song mentions things like cars and coffee machines...
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Bondmounts and wine vats? Erm, never mind. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
Carpal's a nasty thing. Owwch, yes. Very nasty. I got what dad said was carpal once last year or so, and couldn't write with my right hand for two days. Couldn't lift anything, either, couldn't use it much at all. It HURT.
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My considerable sympathy... (I think there are hand exercises to reduce the chances of an onset or relapse, but I'm not positive...) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
Ah, well... I could try to draw those chapters, yes. Could prove pretty fun. If my brother hadn't lost his license and stuff for it, I could've hijacked his Cinema 3d and given that a go, as well, he did a pretty impressive dragon (that was 36 hours rendering... Meep.) in it.
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(Wonders what Cinema 3d is... some sort of modeling software? I hadn't heard of it.) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
The good thing about holding the pencil all wrong like I do is that you at least don't risk hurting anything from drawing, hand starts cramping before that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm not sure how to characterize that. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">-Eric Schissel
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Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 7:01 am

I am writing a little something on the races in Erigineea (and its bordering countries) together. All fine there. What I was thinking of was doing something more than a subpage of it. Dad's been bugging me for a good while about getting together a graphic novel with the characters, and even as I still think it'd be pretty much in vain, I might even do one, and combine it with texts on Erigineea, its history and culture, so on, to form a small zine, mostly for my own amusement.
My thoughts on what kind of story there'd be is a reworking of the first PH storyline into something more serious, without me in it, and with Fenni and Robin's arrival in it. They were supposed to arrive in that storyline, but other things got in between.
If I can get the translations straight (oh, right) it'd be aviable in English and Swedish, the English one handlettered and the Swedish version lettered with that awful 'Centaur' font that the first year and some is done in.Both are likely going to be aviable for purchase, if I do them, and will have exclusive illustrations. No, not text, the text is related to Erigineea as whole and I'm not going to withhold that, except perhaps the Swedish version since it's not the original language.Of course, it's not wise to take on more work when I'm soon going to have so little time. But I have yet to be accused of wisdom, so that's okay.Thoughts?Feel free to tell me I'm an idiot and a moron, if that is your mind. Thank you.------------------
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"It's like picking a lock."..."Oh, right. Sir Zathor Honesty hasn't picked many locks in his days, has he?"
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Go read <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/~goldquill/haven.html" TARGET=_blank>LaL</A>. You know you want to. If CW is still dead, read <A HREF="http://paladin.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Paladins' Haven</A> instead. Yesss.

Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 7:31 am

Well, I like the idea...
(And "Centaur" font- thanks, didn't know that.)
Fenni & Robin's arrival only, or something of their trek to find Haven as well, with the false rumor-chasing and incidents I believe you said that involved?
(If the opening storyline of PH doesn't fill a zine and you want to risk carpal you could I suppose try to graphically render the opening chapters of OMW... don't shoot...)
-Eric Schissel

Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Thu Oct 25, 2001 9:43 am

*snicker* I chose the font based only on the nifty name, it's so BORING... And no bold or italic, either.I was thinking loosely somewhat the same story as the first storyline, only more story and less gag, more towards the storytelling of LaL.
Rob and Fen's running away and looking for Haven could be illustrated, I suppose, but that'd mean drawing humans. I have a thing with a bunch of sequential pictures, based around Two Beds and a Coffee Machine by Savage Garden, that's dealing a little with it, in the works. Don't know if it'll be finished, seeing as I'd drawn four frames (which take 30 minutes+ each, since there's excessive shading in them. Think one took hour and half or thereabouts) before realizing the song mentions things like cars and coffee machines...Carpal's a nasty thing. Owwch, yes. Very nasty. I got what dad said was carpal once last year or so, and couldn't write with my right hand for two days. Couldn't lift anything, either, couldn't use it much at all. It HURT. Ah, well... I could try to draw those chapters, yes. Could prove pretty fun. If my brother hadn't lost his license and stuff for it, I could've hijacked his Cinema 3d and given that a go, as well, he did a pretty impressive dragon (that was 36 hours rendering... Meep.) in it.The good thing about holding the pencil all wrong like I do is that you at least don't risk hurting anything from drawing, hand starts cramping before that.
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"It's like picking a lock."..."Oh, right. Sir Zathor Honesty hasn't picked many locks in his days, has he?"
-Shadowrose, OMW IV: Wozelle's Wings
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Go read <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/~goldquill/haven.html" TARGET=_blank>LaL</A>. You know you want to. If CW is still dead, read <A HREF="http://paladin.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Paladins' Haven</A> instead. Yesss.

Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Sun Oct 28, 2001 8:47 am

Cinema 3d is a kind of modelling software, yes, focused on making models that will move afterwards. My brother made a gorgeous little thing with a dragon flying over water that took 36 hours to just render, if I remember correctly. As for the story, the first one will be how the Curse hits Haven, and on from there. *giggle* You get human Jaqueleen. For three frames or so. I am quite satisfied with how that start turned out, and I think I will be with the continuation. Keep your eyes open for a teaser extra, some day this week or so. I think.
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"It's like picking a lock."..."Oh, right. Sir Zathor Honesty hasn't picked many locks in his days, has he?"
-Shadowrose, OMW IV: Wozelle's Wings
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Go read <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/~goldquill/haven.html" TARGET=_blank>LaL</A>. You know you want to. If CW is still dead, read <A HREF="http://paladin.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Paladins' Haven</A> instead. Yesss.

Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Sun Oct 28, 2001 9:05 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
Cinema 3d is a kind of modelling software, yes, focused on making models that will move afterwards. My brother made a gorgeous little thing with a dragon flying over water that took 36 hours to just render, if I remember correctly.
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Hrm- thought you said you couldn't still use it <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/confused.gif"> Well, good news, then. Was going to express hope there was some sort of share/freeware alternative around, otherwise.
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As for the story, the first one will be how the Curse hits Haven, and on from there. *giggle* You get human Jaqueleen. For three frames or so. I am quite satisfied with how that start turned out, and I think I will be with the continuation. Keep your eyes open for a teaser extra, some day this week or so. I think.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>As to human Jaqueleen, hope that means we also learn something new about her (well, besides her appearance, I mean...) I've been curious whether the Curse was entirely arbitrary in its assignment of forms/species to persons, or whether there's something going on here; not perhaps as simple as there being something in some sense Raccoon-like about Wendy Blackglove (is there?), but a connection can be subtler without quite breaking altogether.And as to teaser- interesting that. Be paying close attention.-Eric Schissel

Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Sun Oct 28, 2001 9:20 am

My brother did said dragon long ago, he lost a few important codes or something after that, so now the proggie is unusable. I don't know for all of the characters, but a few have traits in common with the animals they've been assigned. Gina is a Dark Unicorn because she let a Unicorn (the Goddess of Ether) down, by breaking a vow of celebacy. Shadowrose is a panther because panthers are black, and feline grace is sooo suitable for Assassins, in my opinion.Cathereen is an owl 'cause she's old and wise. Purely stereotypical, that.Achira, Rel, 'Rinzo and Krizz are the same species as their soulmates, much like Sah' would have been a Shadowbird if he'd still had Ecca.R

Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Sun Oct 28, 2001 9:35 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
My brother did said dragon long ago, he lost a few important codes or something after that, so now the proggie is unusable.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Makes sense.
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I don't know for all of the characters, but a few have traits in common with the animals they've been assigned. Gina is a Dark Unicorn because she let a Unicorn (the Goddess of Ether) down, by breaking a vow of celebacy. Shadowrose is a panther because panthers are black, and feline grace is sooo suitable for Assassins, in my opinion.Cathereen is an owl 'cause she's old and wise. Purely stereotypical, that.
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With you so far, though Alan Dean Foster would probably have gone with turtle or tortoise for this one (viz. Spellsinger series <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> )
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Achira, Rel, 'Rinzo and Krizz are the same species as their soulmates, much like Sah' would have been a Shadowbird if he'd still had Ecca.
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Ouch.
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Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:59 am

(In regards the Oct. 30 teaser episode)
Very nice...
And I think it answers at least one question (or, in the event, at least one question I was having.)
-Eric Schissel

Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Mon Oct 29, 2001 10:05 am

Wendy doesn't always show a 'Shiny!' attitude? But, true, too few raccoons around, doesn't hurt to bring in a few more. And Wendy is a sweet one, even if she doesn't know what's best for her, or anyone else...Congratulations on a very nice metaphor.
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"It's like picking a lock."..."Oh, right. Sir Zathor Honesty hasn't picked many locks in his days, has he?"
-Shadowrose, OMW IV: Wozelle's Wings
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Go read <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/~goldquill/haven.html" TARGET=_blank>LaL</A>. You know you want to. If CW is still dead, read <A HREF="http://paladin.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Paladins' Haven</A> instead. Yesss.

Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:54 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
Wendy doesn't always show a 'Shiny!' attitude?
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*vbg* (Tries... very hard to interpret that question mark... properly!)
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But, true, too few raccoons around, doesn't hurt to bring in a few more. And Wendy is a sweet one, even if she doesn't know what's best for her, or anyone else...Congratulations on a very nice metaphor.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thank you.
"No, dark unicorn blood is not an appropriate substitute for tabasco sauce. But thanks for helping out in the kitchen, W."-Eric Schissel

Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:09 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
I was just expressing my surprise at your wording, "occassionally showing a "Shiny!" attitude". I thought the "Shiny!" attitude shone through all the time.
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Ah, thought that was what you meant.. sorry about the confusion. I was wavering between that and whether (no offense intended) you'd meant an explanation point where you wrote a question mark, so to speak.
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*giggle* And Wendy isn't quite -that- naive.
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Glad to hear that...
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More like what she's already done, along the lines of "you hear the truth from the old and the children", but with the added perk of being able to draw conclusions from what she observes.Answered a question? How?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hrm... just making the assumption that of all the questions I did ask/was thinking on, the one (less important in my own ranking *g*) about how Jaq looked pre-curse has now been answered, as of Oct. 30.-Eric SchisselWhere, where the rosebud, the child of dawn?
Our rose has faded away and gone.
O do not say, 'Thus youth is passing,'
O do not say- 'No joy is lasting.'
View not the rose with gloom, but ponder;
For see you yonder! Lilies in bloom! - Pushkin

Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Tue Oct 30, 2001 10:37 am

I was just expressing my surprise at your wording, "occassionally showing a "Shiny!" attitude". I thought the "Shiny!" attitude shone through all the time.*giggle* And Wendy isn't quite -that- naive. More like what she's already done, along the lines of "you hear the truth from the old and the children", but with the added perk of being able to draw conclusions from what she observes.Answered a question? How?
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<A HREF="http://www.livejournal.com/users/quoting_mungo/" TARGET=_blank>Alexandra</A>
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"It's like picking a lock."..."Oh, right. Sir Zathor Honesty hasn't picked many locks in his days, has he?"
-Shadowrose, OMW IV: Wozelle's Wings
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Go read <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/~goldquill/haven.html" TARGET=_blank>LaL</A>. You know you want to. If CW is still dead, read <A HREF="http://paladin.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Paladins' Haven</A> instead. Yesss.

Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:16 am

(Checks online dictionary... ah-hah.)
Squirrelly does not, apparently, mean quite what I thought it did. (Its actual implications, according to the dictionary, include silly and mentally-unbalanced. Two other definitions are listed - "having a flavor like that of nuts" or "having or producing nuts"- but acorns and cashews don't seem to apply to the humans to whom the word is typically applied.)Whether silly or mentally-unbalanced are exactly the terms that come to mind in regard to Jaq ... hrm. I think I was mistaken. Which is not to compliment her, either...-Eric Schissel

Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:20 am

*snicker* That, it has. When/if you get to see the full picture, and not just a tiny piece of it, you'll also see her tattoos. She's a vain little thing, although nowhere as much as a certain half-God we know... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Where, where the rosebud, the child of dawn?
Our rose has faded away and gone.
O do not say, 'Thus youth is passing,'
O do not say- 'No joy is lasting.'
View not the rose with gloom, but ponder;
For see you yonder! Lilies in bloom! - Pushkin<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>*snicker* 'Rose may argue with you on that point. Yes, indeed. 
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"It's like picking a lock."..."Oh, right. Sir Zathor Honesty hasn't picked many locks in his days, has he?"
-Shadowrose, OMW IV: Wozelle's Wings
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Go read <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/~goldquill/haven.html" TARGET=_blank>LaL</A>. You know you want to. If CW is still dead, read <A HREF="http://paladin.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Paladins' Haven</A> instead. Yesss.

Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:24 am

Indeed. Mentally ill-balanced is not the first thing I'd come to think of when faced with Jaq. Now, nymphomanic... Which may or may not have connection to the reason she's retired. I dunno why she did, to be honest.
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<A HREF="http://www.livejournal.com/users/quoting_mungo/" TARGET=_blank>Alexandra</A>
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"It's like picking a lock."..."Oh, right. Sir Zathor Honesty hasn't picked many locks in his days, has he?"
-Shadowrose, OMW IV: Wozelle's Wings
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Go read <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/~goldquill/haven.html" TARGET=_blank>LaL</A>. You know you want to. If CW is still dead, read <A HREF="http://paladin.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Paladins' Haven</A> instead. Yesss.

Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:30 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
*snicker* That, it has. When/if you get to see the full picture, and not just a tiny piece of it, you'll also see her tattoos. She's a vain little thing, although nowhere as much as a certain half-God we know...
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Good teaser generally; perhaps I should remember from the first arc, having reread it recently (even though the 'Zine will- you've said- be based on it rather than a reproduction), but I'm also not quite sure where that scream's coming from, for instance... And if I haven't already said so, the drawing is excellent.
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*snicker* 'Rose may argue with you on that point. Yes, indeed.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He's every right to, and I'm sorry. It occurred to me as I was quoting it that he might have felt referred to and I thought about the coincidence, and decided reluctantly to go ahead anyway; I've quoted that poem before in other contexts entirely for other reasons. It shares a certain quality (important only to me *g*- but then, that's how sentiment works for you!) with its poetic fellows <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">-Eric Schissel
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Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 10:46 am

Yaaay!!! 'Nother flaming topic!!! ^_^*grynn* Very loosely based on, at that. Timeframe is likely from just before the Curse hits to when Fen and Rob have gotten installed in 'Rose's room. Yes, 'twas his first.No need to be sorry, just 'cause he has a thing for roses... A bit touchy lately. Probably for good reasons, I'm not known for being easy on my characters when writing shortfic. Especially not when I decide I want to write slash. I got a pretty nice innocent thing I wrote down as I was falling asleep some days ago, that isn't bad at all... Should type up, yes I should...*ahem*Nice poetry, nontheless.
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<A HREF="http://www.livejournal.com/users/quoting_mungo/" TARGET=_blank>Alexandra</A>
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"It's like picking a lock."..."Oh, right. Sir Zathor Honesty hasn't picked many locks in his days, has he?"
-Shadowrose, OMW IV: Wozelle's Wings
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Go read <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/~goldquill/haven.html" TARGET=_blank>LaL</A>. You know you want to. If CW is still dead, read <A HREF="http://paladin.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Paladins' Haven</A> instead. Yesss.

Schissel · Post by **Schissel** » Wed Oct 31, 2001 11:06 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Shadowed Rose:
Yaaay!!! 'Nother flaming topic!!! ^_^
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*g*
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*grynn* Very loosely based on, at that. Timeframe is likely from just before the Curse hits to when Fen and Rob have gotten installed in 'Rose's room. Yes, 'twas his first.
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His first room?
Considering that one of the three in the teaser is befurred and two aren't (unless that one is a bondmount or other animal, sentient or otherwise, but not a Paladin or other howsoever human, faerie, divine, or whathaveyou...) I'm also guessing that the Curse might have acted over a period of time instead of all at once. But... don't know.I look forward to seeing what their reactions will be now that they don't have an Author to blame for it <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
No need to be sorry, just 'cause he has a thing for roses... A bit touchy lately. Probably for good reasons, I'm not known for being easy on my characters when writing shortfic. Especially not when I decide I want to write slash. I got a pretty nice innocent thing I wrote down as I was falling asleep some days ago, that isn't bad at all... Should type up, yes I should...
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Well then, do... *g*
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*ahem*Nice poetry, nontheless.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks! I think I'll put it (or rather, the setting I have of it) on my player sometime later today...
-Eric Schissel

Shadowed Rose · Post by **Shadowed Rose** » Thu Nov 01, 2001 4:06 am

I did write a reply to this, I know I did.The room was his first, as in before Rob and Fen moved in to share it with him. And, well... The explanation they find is something related to something you've noted somewhere else. Won't go further into it.
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"It's like picking a lock."..."Oh, right. Sir Zathor Honesty hasn't picked many locks in his days, has he?"
-Shadowrose, OMW IV: Wozelle's Wings
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Go read <A HREF="http://www.crosswinds.net/~goldquill/haven.html" TARGET=_blank>LaL</A>. You know you want to. If CW is still dead, read <A HREF="http://paladin.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Paladins' Haven</A> instead. Yesss.