Fruvous wrote:Hmmm, you've touched upon some interesting angles to this, Amy. (touch them.... they like it!)
My hope is that others take the time to think about things that should be considered, no matter how unpleasant.
I think what we're getting at here is that in someplace like Yiffburg, it's not so much about what specific things folks get up to, but how 'kinky' it is... you can do anything at all out of innocent fun, or bizarre compulsion, or anything in between. If the element of shame/forbidden/lust is removed, it make remove some of the 'spice' of certain activities, but the other levels of enjoyment would still be intact.
Quite true, and this is borne out historically, I might add. An example of this, interestingly, is bustlines- In more socially-conservative periods, (such as the 1950s, for example), hourglass figures, particularly bustlines, were pronounced to the point of exaggeration, whereas in liberal times (the '60s), a far more modest form of women's shapes became more prevalent. This, of course, is a more visible, if rather tame, example... But then again, THE "Bondage Queen" of all time was none other than Betty Paige, who was popular in the '50s.
Take BDSM. Regardless of whether you feel sex is dirty and shameful, or have self-esteem issues, or anything, it could still be fun to tie each other up or even flog one another from a strictly playful, roleplaying and exploration point of view. As long as everything's consentual, and everyone is having a great time, why not?
I have no problem with that, as long as it is consentual. Not my cup o' tea, since I take no pleasure in pain (mine or anyone else's) or in something that at least on the face of it, seems non-consentual. (I would never do anything to anyone without consent- I'm rather firm on that.)
This does lead to another question, however. There'd be certain activities which, if you're not into them, might well put other people off their boinkberries, so to speak.
Things like adult-baby, watersports, scat, some forms of BDSM, etc might well need to have their own little specialty areas, and folks would just know or be told that if you don't want to be exposed to certain things,don't go certain places... certain neighborhoods, hangouts, parts of the park, etc.
Quite acceptable- Much like saying that if you don't like what's on TV, you can always chaing the dial or turn it off.
(Probably the kinkiest for me is that I like watching females pee, and that's about my limit, there.)
And there's still the sticky issue of children, of course. (Damn sticky kids, getting their grubby paws all over the place... ). Myself, I think the simplest solution is simply to make Yiffburg an adults-only playground. Admittedly, this makes it less of its own self-sufficient utopia, but I can't see any other solution that folks would accept.
This brings up about what are the possible psycological limits of such taboos. (I'll get into this much more deeply in another post.)
Fruvous wrote:KatEllis wrote:
You'd better not be. I have enough trouble being me as it is without any
others trying it. O_O But as I said before. what's "vanilla" to my readers
is a raging smutfest to others. The reason that there's not a lot of what
would qualify as "kink" in Yiffburg is because... there just isn't. As big a
place as the world is, there very likely could be places where elaborate
rubber items, creative uses of household appliances and extremes of
physiological interactions were the public norm. They aren't taboo per se
in Yiffburg; it's just that there aren't that many interested in them. My
little time-space continuum is the product of my own imagination; I haven't
marked such things as awful, hideous, distasteful, not in my comic dammit,
or anything else like that. They're just not the way my mind works.
So basically, there isn't anything like that in Yiffburg because you, personally, are not into those sorts of things and this is, after all, your sandbox and you'll put in what you like.
I'm going to come at this as a fellow writer, because, as anyone knows about world-building, you have to establish a sufficient groundwork to explain why the world in your stories works as it does. K&KB started without anything resembling a world background, and wouldn't for some time- It was just the fun adventures of two erstwhile foxes involving sex- Mostly gag-a-strip comics. As it evolved into stories, particularly complex stories, a need for explaining why things are in Yiffburg the way they are- The apparent lack of stigma over sex and sexuality, particularly, when much of the rest of the world Yiffburg is in still suffers from this stigma.
Using real-world examples, it's known that the behaviours and values we take into our adult lives is shaped very early in life, and even those who seem to live certain lifestyles are still affected, even stigmatised, by what they grew up with.
So for a place like Yiffburg to exist, where no-one native to it bears any stigma about sex, seeing others have sex, or being seen by others while having sex, it's something learned early on in life. At least early enough to understand that sex is NOT wrong, that it can be fun, and that it's alright to share that experience.
Do I think there should be no taboos in such a society? No- There needs to be practical limits- especially anything that causes real harm or is coerced (physically and/or emotionally) or is done without real (not implied) consent.
That's perfectly legitimate. I don't agree with your take on kink always coming from sexual repression, but again, this is your toy and your game, not mine, and if you say there's no BDSM or watersports in Yiffburg, there isn't, end of story.
I'm in agreement with Frouvus, here- I could even say- and this might not earn me any points here- that the "vanilla" nature of this strip may indeed come from sexual repression in its own right.
Amy. <:3 )~~8~
