Lickalick!

[KatEllis]

Oh, lord... Today's (4/21/05) strip takes the cake! Lotsa licklicklics!

Wonderful job, Kat!

Amy. <:3 )~~8~

Kay's turning out to be as much a taste treat as anything on the Big One
menu! ^_^

[AmyStereo]

Oh, lord... Today's (4/21/05) strip takes the cake! Lotsa licklicklics!

Wonderful job, Kat!

Amy. <:3 )~~8~

Kay's turning out to be as much a taste treat as anything on the Big One
menu! ^_^

Miss Anoni-Vix seems to think so. Who knows? Vixencream probably tastes as good as mousecream or bunnycream.....

Amy. <:3 )~~8~

[Gildedtongue]

Hmmm... Mind if I be a little crotchity for a bit?

I can't help but think that:

1) Kay is a married fox
2) She might have not said 'no' to this... but at the same time, she never said 'yes'
3) she's fiercely loyal to Kit.

Now, I see this as non-consentual sexual acts, AKA rape... and I'd think in a sexual place like Yiffburg, rape would be looked down upon in the fiercest of manner.

But, this is just a coment based off of some observations... the truth will pan out later

[KatEllis]

Hmmm... Mind if I be a little crotchity for a bit?

I can't help but think that:

1) Kay is a married fox
2) She might have not said 'no' to this... but at the same time, she never said 'yes'
3) she's fiercely loyal to Kit.

Now, I see this as non-consentual sexual acts, AKA rape... and I'd think in a sexual place like Yiffburg, rape would be looked down upon in the fiercest of manner.

But, this is just a coment based off of some observations... the truth will pan out later

It's okay to be crotchety on my forum (as long as its done politely!)

Rape would indeed be looked down upon in Yiffburg - not only looked
down upon, but (as will be seen in a future story) punishable in a way
that leaves no doubt as to it's unpermissable status. Therefore, Yiffburg
being Yiffburg, a "no" is all it takes for a sexual act to become a non-
consentual one. If Kay had said "no", then the unnamed vixen wouldn't
have gotten past the first move. If a "no" is not made plain and clear,
then the answer is "yes". Kit and Kay's married status doesn't mean
that they don't permit each other to be attracted to or aroused by any
other citizen of Yiffburg. In the last few Kit and Kay stories, they both
have in fact been more than a little stimulated by others. But as they
put it themselves in "Boinkberry Boondoggle":
Kay: "You didn't mind me getting all yiffy looking at Myers' massive member, did you Kit?"
Kit: "Aw, of course not, Kay! I love seeing you get yiffy, 'cause I know
who we both belong to! You're my vixen, and I'm your fox!"
Kay: "Always and forever!"

[Gildedtongue]

I was pretty sure that married couples in Yiffburg, at least most of them, had no problem being a little promescous, as long as everything was cool...

John: Gonna be late tonight, gonna screw Harriet after work today.
Marsha: *kisses John's cheek as Bob eats her out* Okay, honey, be back by ten, and save some for me!

and even then, the telling about it would be more courtacy than anything. All I was refering to was both the foxes getting a little... hairred when they were with Reynard and Diana and the "Tabs A" and "Slots B" were mixed up a little. As Theo said "About as kinkiest they get is that they love to watch." Well, now we have an interloper going to "Touching." though, they did enjoy some oral pleasure... hard to figure out these two

But, yeah, I'm guessing the Laws of Yiffburg are short, but firmly enforced, as in "If you can't handle these few laws, we don't want you here." Probably pedophilia is looked down upon. Incest, hmmm... with boinkberries in play, maybe not as big a deal...
[Cheesy TV Commercial]
Bro: "Hey sis, you want to go to the attic?"
Sis: "Remember what mom and dad said, gotta have your "BoinkBerry Crunch" before you do anything yiffy!"
*huge, well hung bear crashes through the wall*
Super Bruin:"Heeeey kids!"
Kids: "Super Bruin!"
Super Bruin: "Sis is right, make sure you have a bowl of my BoinkBerry Crunch cereal before you start playing! I has all the essencial vitamins and minerals to make your body grow up strong! And enough boinkberries to make sure nothing you wouldn't want happen, happen. Even Mom and Dad love my cereal!"
[/Cheesy TV Commercial]

Hmmm... maybe I should stop now...

[AmyStereo]

Hope you don't mind that I get VERY controversial, here- But what the hell... Quite a few people think I'm going to Hell for what I am, and for what I am not, so...

But, yeah, I'm guessing the Laws of Yiffburg are short, but firmly enforced, as in "If you can't handle these few laws, we don't want you here." Probably pedophilia is looked down upon. Incest, hmmm... with boinkberries in play, maybe not as big a deal...

I wasn't sure if this taboo should be broached, but since it has...

Yes, this was what I was thinking- How are kids handled in a society that not only tolerates sexuality, but outright encourages it publicly? In short, the moral taboos of our own society on this very subject would be thrown out the window!

In our society, we do two things: have a very broad definition of pedophilia, and criminalise any sexual act involving children- even between children- and paint it all under the first.

Am I saying sex with children isn't wrong? Not quite. For one thing, I think the current model is out of control, and needs to be brought more in line with laws and morals concerning adult sexual behaviour. That is, rape is rape, regardless whether the victims are adults and children, under the current definition of adult rape- that is, if it's coerced or non-consentual, it can be defined as rape. The reason behind not applying the same standards to child sex and adult sex is because children, by law, cannot consent, and are not legally allowed to consent until a specific age of maturity. (Society follows suit by (1) "shielding" underage from anything sexual, without any education, and (2) upon the legal age of maturity, they're told "you're on your own, kid." This leaves a HUGE population uneducated and unprepared for both the pleasures and consequences that face them.)

I personally think a mandatory age of consent should be abolished, and determine the legality of all actions be determined on a case-by-case ability to comprehend and consent. This alone would stop sexual predators from harming anyone, and actually punish the ones who actually do harm.

In an ideal world, we should all have parents like Shirlee's mom! But we don't- We have a very schitzophrenic society on the subject of sex and sexuality, and of course sexual expression, and how to express it in certain contexts.

I have nothing against pornography, per se, but as our society brings up the context of sex=sin, the sex industry follows suit, so everything is naughty, torrid, sinful, and fattening.. Ooops.

Children should be taught at a very early age- like as soon as they understand any concepts, about sex and sexuality, and what to do and what not to do, and not to be ashamed of it. If they experiment, they should be allowed to do so, and not be punished. They need to be taught never to coerce or be coerced into doing something they don't want to or don't feel comfortable with.

We, as a society, really need to grow up on the subject of sex. We're many decades behind most of the world (the Middle East and India are even more sexually conservative than us, and not much else), and with the current soicial climate, this doesn't look like it'll change anytime soon.

Amy. <:3 )~~8~

[KatEllis]

But, yeah, I'm guessing the Laws of Yiffburg are short, but firmly enforced, as in "If you can't handle these few laws, we don't want you here." Probably pedophilia is looked down upon. Incest, hmmm... with boinkberries in play, maybe not as big a deal...

Pedophilia is indeed against the laws of Yiffburg, and not in any uncertain
terms. Anything at all before a child reaches the age of reason is OUT.
Anything that would hurt a child (even if the child is curious) past the
age of reason is OUT. Good touching is generally okay, bad touching is
OUT. Yiffburg being Yiffburg, the laws are rarely broken.

[Cheesy TV Commercial]
Bro: "Hey sis, you want to go to the attic?"
Sis: "Remember what mom and dad said, gotta have your "BoinkBerry Crunch" before you do anything yiffy!"
*huge, well hung bear crashes through the wall*
Super Bruin:"Heeeey kids!"
Kids: "Super Bruin!"
Super Bruin: "Sis is right, make sure you have a bowl of my BoinkBerry Crunch cereal before you start playing! I has all the essencial vitamins and minerals to make your body grow up strong! And enough boinkberries to make sure nothing you wouldn't want happen, happen. Even Mom and Dad love my cereal!"
[/Cheesy TV Commercial]

Hmmm... maybe I should stop now...

Gaaah... maybe you should have run that one by the Weirdness
Evaluation Committee before you started! <=) In order for boinkberries
to work, Brother would have to eat one kind and Sis would have to eat
another! It's very important, at such a gathering age, to know the
facts - you don't want to find out the hard way that you were mistaken!

Yes, this was what I was thinking- How are kids handled in a society that not only tolerates sexuality, but outright encourages it publicly? In short, the moral taboos of our own society on this very subject would be thrown out the window!

Yiffburg wouldn't have thrown them inside in the first place. And that
very fact would eliminate the overwhelming potential for the psychological
problems that cause people to grow up into adults that would do
something wrong to a child. If a child grows up feeling that their body
is something that it's perfectly okay to have, in all it's aspects, and that
their feelings are normal and are shared by others all around them, they
don't grow up into repressed adults who regard their bodies as an enemy
rather than a friend. The underpinnings of "uh-oh, pedophilia.." that hold
other societies in such an awful grip, never get started in Yiffburg. One
of the clearest examples of the proverbial ounce of prevention being
worth the pound of cure that could ever exist.

[AmyStereo]

Pedophilia is indeed against the laws of Yiffburg, and not in any uncertain
terms. Anything at all before a child reaches the age of reason is OUT.
Anything that would hurt a child (even if the child is curious) past the
age of reason is OUT. Good touching is generally okay, bad touching is
OUT. Yiffburg being Yiffburg, the laws are rarely broken.

But then, what is determined by "age of reason"? For some, the ability to reason comes early; still others, it never comes at all. It's the same with the onset of puberty- There IS no set age, but we, as a society, like fixed numbers, and to cut down on the confusion over puberty, we set age of maturity usually as 16, 18 or 21.

This is why I said that the only reasonable approach is to take things on a case-by-case basis. If the person, regardless of age, understands and consents, it should not be a matter for the courts.

I know this from personal experienmce, as one of milli9ons in this country that was molested as a child: I simply did NOT understand, and therefore could not give consent.

Yes, this was what I was thinking- How are kids handled in a society that not only tolerates sexuality, but outright encourages it publicly? In short, the moral taboos of our own society on this very subject would be thrown out the window!

Yiffburg wouldn't have thrown them inside in the first place. And that
very fact would eliminate the overwhelming potential for the psychological
problems that cause people to grow up into adults that would do
something wrong to a child. If a child grows up feeling that their body
is something that it's perfectly okay to have, in all it's aspects, and that
their feelings are normal and are shared by others all around them, they
don't grow up into repressed adults who regard their bodies as an enemy
rather than a friend. The underpinnings of "uh-oh, pedophilia.." that hold
other societies in such an awful grip, never get started in Yiffburg. One
of the clearest examples of the proverbial ounce of prevention being
worth the pound of cure that could ever exist.

Good, healthy attitudes- We need more of them!

Amy. <:3 )~~8~

[AmyStereo]

Just to clarify:

Current sex laws concerning children are based on limits, and not conditions, whereas when it concerns adults, it's based on conditions, rather than limits.

What I'm trying to say is, all sex laws concerning children should meet the same conditions as for adults, without preset age limits, and without exception.

Even when a person initially consents, if he or she says "no" or "stop", or "what the heck are you doing?!?", it's no longer consentual. This, or any such matter like this, shouldn't matter due to age, and thus the crime itself must be met on its merits (or lack of) to be punishable by law.

I hope this cleared some things up.

Justice is best served when it meets conditions. If it's based on arbitrary limits, more harm than good may come of it. There are hundreds of innocent underage lovers currently serving time in juvinile hall, just because they had underage sex, ignoring whether it was consentual or not, just because they were under 17 (in California).

This is why we have the problems we have on this whole subject of sex and sexuality- We criminalise it, believing we're doing something right by our kids.

Trust me- I'm not excusing rape or any form of coercion! Far from it! Anyone who does REAL harm should be prosecuted, and severely, to the fullest extent of the law. There ARE real crimes committed on children, and not just because of their age.

Amy. <:3 )~~8~

[Gildedtongue]

Gaaah... maybe you should have run that one by the Weirdness Evaluation Committee before you started! <=) In order for boinkberries to work, Brother would have to eat one kind and Sis would have to eat another! It's very important, at such a gathering age, to know the facts - you don't want to find out the hard way that you were mistaken!

Eh, I was just being silly, which I'm sure, Mr. Ellis, you can appreciate random bits of silliness. Hmmm... so I guess then such cereals would be sold in blue and pink versions... though, I wouldn't trust the cereal companies very much... seeing at how much organic material is in the product... "Wow... pure sugar..."

Yiffburg wouldn't have thrown them inside in the first place. And that very fact would eliminate the overwhelming potential for the psychological problems that cause people to grow up into adults that would do something wrong to a child. If a child grows up feeling that their bodyis something that it's perfectly okay to have, in all it's aspects, and that their feelings are normal and are shared by others all around them, they don't grow up into repressed adults who regard their bodies as an enemy rather than a friend. The underpinnings of "uh-oh, pedophilia.." that hold other societies in such an awful grip, never get started in Yiffburg. One of the clearest examples of the proverbial ounce of prevention being worth the pound of cure that could ever exist.

It's hard for people to consiter 'naughty' things when it just isn't naughty. There's many good reasons for clothing. It keeps us warm during the cold times, keeps the sun off our body during the warm times, and most importantly, it has the greatest invention of mankind... POCKETS! (I mean, really, where do Kit and Kay keep their bus cards?)

Even when a person initially consents, if he or she says "no" or "stop", or "what the heck are you doing?!?", it's no longer consentual. This, or any such matter like this, shouldn't matter due to age, and thus the crime itself must be met on its merits (or lack of) to be punishable by law.

Though, I can see a few possible misunderstandings on this...

"But officer! we were just trying out a new kink! The safe word was banana!"

[Sethtriggs]

There's many good reasons for clothing. It keeps us warm during the cold times, keeps the sun off our body during the warm times, and most importantly, it has the greatest invention of mankind... POCKETS! (I mean, really, where do Kit and Kay keep their bus cards?)

In the box?

-Seth

[AmyStereo]

Even when a person initially consents, if he or she says "no" or "stop", or "what the heck are you doing?!?", it's no longer consentual. This, or any such matter like this, shouldn't matter due to age, and thus the crime itself must be met on its merits (or lack of) to be punishable by law.

Though, I can see a few possible misunderstandings on this...

"But officer! we were just trying out a new kink! The safe word was banana!"

If they understand safewords, they understand consent. They might not understand the "kink" just yet, though.

I'm not into the whole BDSM thing, but I do tolerate it, because it is a consentual system.

Amy. <:3 )~~8~
("BANANA!!!")

[Gildedtongue]

There's many good reasons for clothing. It keeps us warm during the cold times, keeps the sun off our body during the warm times, and most importantly, it has the greatest invention of mankind... POCKETS! (I mean, really, where do Kit and Kay keep their bus cards?)

In the box?

-Seth

I dunno, stuffing them in Kay's box would lead to papercuts, I'd think?

[KatEllis]

It's hard for people to consiter 'naughty' things when it just isn't naughty. There's many good reasons for clothing. It keeps us warm during the cold times, keeps the sun off our body during the warm times, and most importantly, it has the greatest invention of mankind... POCKETS! (I mean, really, where do Kit and Kay keep their bus cards?)

Oh, clothing (and pockets) are definitely useful things, no question about that. It's
not that clothing, or being clothed, suggests that being unclothed should be naughty-
it's the concept that would associate the two in the first place that never took hold
in Yiffburg. And as for how Kit and Kay pay for things, you'll find out in the current
story.

[Sethtriggs]

Maybe they have a pocket of hammerspace (yiffspace?) that they could use to retrieve and store items at will. Heheheh...

-Seth

[AmyStereo]

Well, I haven't gotten hate emails or death threats (yet), or anything particularly negative (nothing, actually) so maybe I didn't freak out as many as I expected to.

(Just a note, though: my own fantasies- which I keep to myself- are alot tamer than many of my positions would seem to suggest. I'm actually quite dull, especially in sexual "kinks". I don't really care to actually persue alot of the things that I'm not offended with, just as I don't really pursue anyone, as they're either "occupied" or probably don't find me of interest. And no, contrary to anything that may be (mistakenly) inferred from my past posts in this thread, I really have no desire for children, whatsoever, not even as a parent. It's hard enough being called a "freak" in a subculture of freaks, by those who themselves are no better. "Glass houses" and all that.)

Amy. <:3 )~~8~

[Greatbeast]

Why is someone calling you a "freak"? whats their problem ?

No one here has done anything but chat here from what I see.


Sean

[AmyStereo]

Why is someone calling you a "freak"? whats their problem ?

These have been problems I have had over the years. It hasn't happened here- yet- even in PM. (Fortunately.)

No one here has done anything but chat here from what I see.

That's the fortunate thing. It hasn't.

I have been harassed over the years for manythings ranging from being disabled, being transgendered (IRL), having no interest in penises, and so forth, to being accused of being a stalker (which I'm not- The accusers have the wrong information, mixing me up with others, and the fact that what has been spread of me is independently-verifiable misinformation, it calls into question any validity of any and all accusations based on it, and the accusers who cite this same dubious source for their tirades against me)....and it goes on.

I got lucky this time (so far), but I don't expect such luck.

Amy. <:3 )~~8~

[Greatbeast]

Well I come to the forums rarely, but people seem to be very open minded here. So no worries

Harassed for being disabled ? Ridiculous! Who ever did that should be fed to a tree shredder.

No interest in penises (peni ??) No big deal, I assume that somewhere around 30-50% of the population hasnt any interest. (I generally do not, myself )

Transgendered ? Ah no big deal, one of my best friends is TG and is considering changing over. Im not sure if it will fix anything for him (or her ?) but personally I dont think it really matters in the end.

Dont let the jerks of the world get you down.


Sean

Why is someone calling you a "freak"? whats their problem ?

These have been problems I have had over the years. It hasn't happened here- yet- even in PM. (Fortunately.)

No one here has done anything but chat here from what I see.

That's the fortunate thing. It hasn't.

I have been harassed over the years for manythings ranging from being disabled, being transgendered (IRL), having no interest in penises, and so forth, to being accused of being a stalker (which I'm not- The accusers have the wrong information, mixing me up with others, and the fact that what has been spread of me is independently-verifiable misinformation, it calls into question any validity of any and all accusations based on it, and the accusers who cite this same dubious source for their tirades against me)....and it goes on.

I got lucky this time (so far), but I don't expect such luck.

Amy. <:3 )~~8~

[Trizar]

that is so mean of people though! Just because someone may be disabled (even if i don't know how) that doesn't give people the right to make fun of you! Same with if you were transgendered to