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FrustratedPilot
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Nesting fantasy/dream sequences are something to avoid. Case in point, Paul McCartney's movie "Give My Regards to Broad Street"...the whole plot is a daydream Paul has while being stuck in traffic--and then there's that Charles Dickens-esque nightmare within the dream. It didn't work then and it's not going to work in Fans!<P>Nuff said.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Czhorat:
<B>You ever read a Phil Dick story? He used the nested fantasy/dream/alternate reality thing several times. At its best, you get these great, trippy books in which you have no idea what's real and what isn't. At its worst, it's just a confusing mess.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ubik, king of beers!<P>Great example of is-it-real-or-not nested multiple twisting: David Fincher's "The Game", starring Michael Douglas and Sean Penn. Highly reccommended.<P>I was sort of disappointed that The Matrix didn't take advantage of the Dickian possibilities of its situation. I mean, how do they know that the "Outside World" isn't a simulation, which keeps people's minds busy by giving them the goal of getting out? Or that the Matrix is actually real, and the outside world is an illusion, just that the Matrix reality doesn't work the way people expect the real world to behave? Or that the "real world" and the Matrix never actually existed, and neither simulates any actual existence, but instead the real world is something entirely foreign to our thinking (Lovecraftian influence possibilities there) or some combination, inversion, or confusion of all of the above?<P>------------------
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<B>You ever read a Phil Dick story? He used the nested fantasy/dream/alternate reality thing several times. At its best, you get these great, trippy books in which you have no idea what's real and what isn't. At its worst, it's just a confusing mess.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ubik, king of beers!<P>Great example of is-it-real-or-not nested multiple twisting: David Fincher's "The Game", starring Michael Douglas and Sean Penn. Highly reccommended.<P>I was sort of disappointed that The Matrix didn't take advantage of the Dickian possibilities of its situation. I mean, how do they know that the "Outside World" isn't a simulation, which keeps people's minds busy by giving them the goal of getting out? Or that the Matrix is actually real, and the outside world is an illusion, just that the Matrix reality doesn't work the way people expect the real world to behave? Or that the "real world" and the Matrix never actually existed, and neither simulates any actual existence, but instead the real world is something entirely foreign to our thinking (Lovecraftian influence possibilities there) or some combination, inversion, or confusion of all of the above?<P>------------------
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Matrix 2:<P>"Neo, this is all a complex historical recreation, of the time before we took the planet back from the machines. Let me show you what the world is REALY like."<P>Matrix 3:
"Mr. Anderson, for the last five years, you've been part of a top secret CIA experiment in brain washing. You realy ARE a computer programmer, and this IS really the 21st centeury."<P>Matrix 4:
"Noone can be told what the Matrix is. They have to... is something wrong, Neo? Put down that gun! ... WEll, I guess he couldn't be the one if he shot himself."
"Mr. Anderson, for the last five years, you've been part of a top secret CIA experiment in brain washing. You realy ARE a computer programmer, and this IS really the 21st centeury."<P>Matrix 4:
"Noone can be told what the Matrix is. They have to... is something wrong, Neo? Put down that gun! ... WEll, I guess he couldn't be the one if he shot himself."