Note on the newest Top Ten

Gwalla · Post by **Gwalla** » Mon Jan 15, 2001 1:14 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Thor Thorvaldson, Jr:
6. Ghost in the Shell -- I know, I know, "the animation's so good!" But the story's so dull!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's the problem with that animator. His stuff always looks nice, but he tends to make up for it by adding about a half hour of pointless filler. See the Patlabor movies for confirmation.The cinema clips from the video game are actually better. The animation quality is the same, and they're more true to the spirit of the comic (the characters all have their Fushikomas too!) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>7. Appleseed -- same as above, except the animation's not so hot, either.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Masamune Shirow hates the anime of Appleseed. It destroys the story, and brightens everything up with odd pastel colors that have no business being there. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>8. Heavy Metal FAKK 2 -- I know this isn't anime per se, but it still sucked so bad that I had to mention it here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's what they get for avoiding the concept of the original. Heavy Metal was cool because it was an omnibus dammit!------------------
"Truth hides on the other side of a two-way mirror
In countless documents sent straight to the shredder
That might finally give us the whole of the picture
But until the day we decide to dig a little deeper
We know that truth will hide
Under fallen rocks and stones
At the end of a disconnected phone
Down an unmarked street
And buried, deep beneath your feet."
- Asian Dub Foundation, "Truth Hides" from Community Music

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Mon Jan 15, 2001 2:39 am

Rumi's response to Tim was priceless. I'm so happy she turned around like that.
"I am a sensitive artist!!!!!!"
Classic.------------------
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Nicolas Juzda · Post by **Nicolas Juzda** » Mon Jan 15, 2001 2:56 am

Hi,Rumy's comment on Eva was among the harshest and most damning pieces of criticism I've ever seen."You get out of the series what you bring to it."If you don't get anything out of a piece of fiction than you didn't bring to it then that work I would consider to be an utter failure. It doesn't have to be something deep and life-altering; even a feeling of joy will do. But if I walk away with nothing I didn't bring with me, then it's been a waste of my time.This isn't a critique of Eva, by the way, as I'm not the one describing it that way.Nicolas

Thor Thorvaldson, Jr · Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:59 am

So, Will chose Dragonball Z for the list...Big surprise there. If he would've watched it starting with the original DB series, he might have changed his opinion.Here's my list of worst:
1. Samurai Shodown -- terrible, terrible voice acting and scripting killed this one.
2. Iczer 1 -- an oldie but moldie from way back in the eariler nineties, this one has the absolute worst voice acting I've heard.
3. Urusei Yatsura -- the dubbed version, for reasons I've already mentioned.
4. Every series with the word "Macross" in it, except for Macross Plus -- whole alien armadas can be defeated by singing at them?!? All of Japan doesn't have enough suspension of disbelief for this one.
5. Dragon Knight -- snore...snore...
6. Ghost in the Shell -- I know, I know, "the animation's so good!" But the story's so dull!!
7. Appleseed -- same as above, except the animation's not so hot, either.
8. Heavy Metal FAKK 2 -- I know this isn't anime per se, but it still sucked so bad that I had to mention it here.
9. Outlanders -- one of my all-time favorite manga got the butcher treatment when it got shoved into 40 minutes of OAV.
10. The latest Godzilla movie -- again not anime, but rubber suit nostalgia can only go so far before looking silly.And there it is. Who wants to argue? ^_^Thor------------------
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Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:14 am

OK here's the fast and hard of most of my comments on the above.
DIE MINMEI DIE!!!!!The only hentai I've seen more than once (because it was good) Is "Beast City: Vampire Madonna". It has the perfect mix of action, sex, humor, and effects. I just wish they'd continue the story.Plus is by far the best of the Macross, but I haven't seen them all, AND I'm saying this from hindsite. I mean, you compare Tron and the new Final Fantasy movie (whose display I payed homage to today) and which would most people say is better? Though you can definitely use minmei as exibit A.I hate Hyperdolls.I saw one thing of UY on Sci-Fi at one point and while I was intrigue, I later found out that the most interesting aspect was a one show plot point. Thus, no more interest.I've seen Ghost in the Shell and I didn't like it. I thought it was good but I still didn't like it. OK, about Evangelion. I really liked how this seeming ly typical "Giant-Robots" show turned into a mind boggling suspense drama. There's family drama, sexual tension (everywhere, Tim was right on the nose there), political scandal, coming of age, existential quandries, spiritual debate, and oh yeah GIANT $@$%! ROBOTS kicking lots of alien-monster butt!!!! I think Eva is a great series and I'd love to finish it off. I've seen the entire 13 tape episode run and am looking around for the movies. Funny story, my pal Ian the Viking had 1-10 and when we rented 11-13 we just sat there twitching. Those of you familiar with it will know what I mean. It's one of those series you can spend hours with your friends theorizing about, Just like Fans! Oh yeah, they make fun of americans too, what Anime would be complete without a jab at us.------------------
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Maccabee · Post by **Maccabee** » Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:47 am

I *liked* GHOST IN THE SHELL. The characters were appealing, the villain turned out to be complex rather than just a crush-kill-destroy type, and it dealt with issues of identity in a thoughtful way, unlike a certain Keanu Reeves film I could mention. The pacing was a little slow, but I think we've gotten too used to the frantic pace of the typical action movie. I also appreciated the ambiguous ending.
Even the dubbing was good (and how often can you say *that*?)This reminds me, I loaned out my copy and need to get it back. It's been a couple of months now...As for the others you mentioned, I've heard legends about how bad some of them are, but haven't seen any of them.URUSEI YATSURA is of course wonderful subtitled or in manga format -- it's a Takahashi title, after all. I have heard stories of what a hatchet job the dubbing was. Alas, AnimEigo, a once-great distributor that lost its way...My pick for worst Anime of all time -- COOL DEVICES. Really bad hentai stuff. All the stereotypically bad things about porn are right there. The mysogyny, the bad characterization, the cheapness of the production... I will *never* forgive the guy at the comic book shop who recommended it to me. The man belongs in therapy for thinking this tripe is worthwhile.------------------
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Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Mon Jan 15, 2001 11:52 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Godai:
There isn't one sane relationship in the series. And don't say no relationship is sane. Theese were just bad.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That's why I like the kid with the video camera. I can never remember his name though. The only one in the group who honestly WANTS to be a pilot and thinks the whole thing is the best thing since industrialization! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
Oh I've heard F3 series is good.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Seen a bit. It's funny and well enough done. We actually had a weekly hentai night at the apartment I was in last summer so I got to see a LOT of really BAD stuff. ------------------
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Gwalla · Post by **Gwalla** » Tue Jan 16, 2001 5:12 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Godai:
Ranma 1/3 :Tales from the closet.This is a fan dub aka fub that is of ranma 1/2 that is hilarious at points and just wrong at others."N-E-K-O funny way to spell cocaine."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>SEISHUN SHITEMASU rules!!! I love those guys.Kodachi: "And then they violated my most private orifices!"
Akane: "I did that with a hair dryer once."They also did "Voltron: Hell-Bent for Leather"------------------
"Truth hides on the other side of a two-way mirror
In countless documents sent straight to the shredder
That might finally give us the whole of the picture
But until the day we decide to dig a little deeper
We know that truth will hide
Under fallen rocks and stones
At the end of a disconnected phone
Down an unmarked street
And buried, deep beneath your feet."
- Asian Dub Foundation, "Truth Hides" from Community Music

Alexi Strigoii · Post by **Alexi Strigoii** » Tue Jan 16, 2001 8:53 am

I am never coming back here againIt has gotten just too strange

Blackjack · Post by **Blackjack** » Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:19 am

My vote for the worst?VAMPIRE HUNTER D!!!!Madre de Dios, this is one hell of a boring film!!! Yoshitake Amano character designs aside, it's UGLY, STUPID, the characters MAKE NO SENSE, everyone sounds STONED, and it's BORING!!!In short, I turned it off halfway.

Maccabee · Post by **Maccabee** » Tue Jan 16, 2001 11:37 am

Good hentai....F^3 is pretty funny.Episode 1 of ANGEL OF DARKNESS is an effective horror story with likeable characters who even behave intelligently on occaision.END OF SUMMER is a good teen drama with a lot of sex thrown in -- and NOT ONE RAPE (yay!)ADVENTURE KID is reasonably good too. Nice payoff at the end of the first story.LA BLUE GIRL pokes fun at alot of the tentacle-sex "erotic horror" type anime.And of course there's OGENKI CLINIC. Truly wacked-out art and bizarre plots and stories centering on a clinic for sexual disfunction -- "ogenki" means "health" which is a nice euphemism here.Most of the other hentai I've seen is unimpressive, to say the least, but these are worth looking at if you don't mind a bit of perversion. They're all more than just sex and/or violence.Just for the record, I'm a perv but not a total perv. I also like Studio Ghibli sweet innocent child-friendly pieces, Takahashi's romantic comedy (give UY another try, Tom), Kenichi Sonoda's Ridley Scott-inspired action... see, I'm well-rounded! Really!------------------
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Maccabee · Post by **Maccabee** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 3:03 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Roscoe Mathieu:
ANIME BASED ON BR AND ALIEN?!?
*leaves behind a vaguely Roscoe-shaped cloud where he stood*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>"Based on" is too strong a phrase, but very strongly influenced by. Similar themes, and the visuals have a fair bit in common. Compare the openning sequences of BUBBLEGUM CRISIS episode one and BLADERUNNER and you'll see what I mean. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">------------------
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Yumitori · Post by **Yumitori** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 4:53 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Blackjack:
My vote for the worst?VAMPIRE HUNTER D!!!!Madre de Dios, this is one hell of a boring film!!! Yoshitake Amano character designs aside, it's UGLY, STUPID, the characters MAKE NO SENSE, everyone sounds STONED, and it's BORING!!!In short, I turned it off halfway.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Finally, someone who agrees with me on that one. Another 'classic' that I think deserves to be trashed - Fist of the North Star. Everything you've said about D, and crappy art as well. Given the options available then, I can't imagine why anyone bothered purchasing the rights to import it. These days, there's so many other shows for English language viewers that I just don't understand the appeal.Ron

Maccabee · Post by **Maccabee** » Wed Jan 17, 2001 11:24 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Godai:
 Lets see if i get theese right.Studio Ghibli is the totoro people right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah. They've also done more mature stuff like MIMI O SUMASEBA. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> 
Of course the Takahashi set (UY, MI, Ranma 1/2)
 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yup. Also RUMIK WORLD, which is sort of a story collection. Silly stuff like MARIS THE CHOJO (vaguely superheroish) and serious stuff like MERMAID FORREST (a horror story) all in one series. I haven't seen them all yet. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> 
Kenichi Sonoda is Gunsmith cats and umm Gunnum/Battle Angel series i believe.
 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't remember if he did BATTLE ANGEL. He's also done RIDING BEAN, BUBBLEGUM CRISIS (influenced by BLADERUNNER), GALL FORCE (influenced by ALIEN) and some superdeformed self-parody stuff. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
Oh one good movie to see only if in a very good mood and don't mind becoming depressed as oppessed to being in a depressed mood and becoming suicidal is "Grave of the Fireflies." its real sad but real good.As to what its about i haven't heard it described as such but it is basically a "Schindler's list" story based in japan during the war.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Very good piece. There's a less depressing one also about the Japanese home front from Studio Ghibli, but I'm blanking on the name at the moment. It takes place in Japanese-occupied Korea. RAIL OF THE STAR, that's it!------------------
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ZOMBIE USER 1252 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 1252** » Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:24 am

DUDE!!!! My boyfriend did Fast Food Freedom Fighters!!!!! ^^v He was even the voice of Agent Biglips! (Yes, I mean Shawn the Touched, LOL)I, at the moment, am working on a parody dub of my own, which T has seen some of ... "Utena: Dance Dance Revolution."EIKO: I wonder, I wonder! Do you know what I wonder?
BIIKO: Oh, never mind! The audience doesn't need to understand!
[giggling baby-in-the-sun from "Teletubbies" floats past]

Maccabee · Post by **Maccabee** » Thu Jan 18, 2001 10:10 am

Ridley Scott's also done som good non-sf work. Check out The Duelists starring Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel. It has one of the best closing lines I've ever heard.As for BGC, there's a lot more to it than just rogue androids. I don't know if you're willing to invest $25 or $30 just on our say-so, but if you are you can order BGC episode 1 from AmimEigo or Rite Stuff International. I think the set (8 episodes on three DVDs) runs at around $65.Bubblegum Crisisis 8 episodes long and takes place in 2032. Bubblegum Crash takes place a year later and is three episodes long. Most people think it's quite inferior to the original, possibly because the production company ran out of yen. I haven't seen Bubblegum 2040 or whatever it's called, but the character design on the boxes is not Kenichi Sonoda's work. There's also a "prequel" series called A.D. Police Files that shows how things got as bad as they did by BGC. A.D. Police Files is much darker than the other series. Think Gotham City without Batman. ADPF is also more overtly sexual. I can't speak for the 2040 series, but I do recommend looking at the others if you ever get the chance.------------------
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Kouban no Hakase · Post by **Kouban no Hakase** » Fri Jan 19, 2001 9:28 am

Blackjack & co.:Aww, I liked Vampire Hunter D... well, sort of... let me explain...Before I saw the movie itself, I saw a trailer for the remake, which looks really gorgeous. The problem with the original is that the plot and characters aren't strong enough to make up for the lousy animation, or vice versa. If the story had been better, I could have forgiven the animation, or if the animation had been better I could have forgiven the story. I'm really looking forward to the remake, because if nothing else, even if the plot hasn't improved from the original, it will be a visually stunning Goth-fest thingy. Erm. Does that make any sense?

Maccabee · Post by **Maccabee** » Fri Jan 19, 2001 11:35 am

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm told that the subtitled version of Vampire Hunter D is much better than the dubbed version (which didn't thrill me either) -- but who here is surprised about that? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">------------------
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