I thought so.

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:15 am

I kind of figured that Rumy meant an episode of Star Tec but I wasn't sure. I didn't think that Rumy would know enough about it really. I'm pleasantly suprised and impressed.

I was really worried when I saw todays page that we were gonna see Passus pop up again and start messing with Clara or something. I didn't notice right off the bat that it was Kurt and company at Apollo's feet. It still makes for a good reference to Passus, and in a kind of frightening way too since they are doing for Clara exactly what passus wanted.
Hmmmmmmmmm...........

Oh, and I can't let this pass qwithout pointing back at the whole Shanna-RPs and Goddess Extract issues. Not that I have any real ideas but I don't want them to be forgotten.

You know how I went on and on about how Tim2 was great because he understood what being a fan meant? Well the same goes for Harry (see? First name!) in different way. He know what it is like to be the perfect fan, to stand up for what you love and be recognized for it. He also know what it feels like for the whole of one's work to be totally ignored and made to seem like nothing. I think that Harry has lost hope (which is obvious) but may be able to regain it again if he sticks with the Fans and doesn't see their successes as "flukes" or "lucky breaks". I think that Harry isn't so jaded as to not get his spark back with a little help from my fans.

Little help from my fans.........filk anyone?
T perhaps?

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:17 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the oldest member of the club introduce himself as *Jim* Scott at the first meeting?

T Campbell · Post by **T Campbell** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 5:15 am

http://faans.com/d/20011123.html

WildMartin · Post by **WildMartin** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:07 am

It is a really good theory, hope is one of the best medicines without the will to live then there isn't a chance that you cna survive. I remember that episode with Apollo, I always thought that was clever myself. Good explanation of what happened to the Greek gods.

ThePsiCop · Post by **ThePsiCop** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:26 am

This is slightly off the path here, but the comic got me thinking. How much scifi-type stuff does Rumy know outside of manga and the like?

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:38 am

You have to know that many US TV programs are regularly dubbed for export. In fact, early on (before Rumy was born), some Japanese TV networks showed more American content than local content because it was so available.

Star Trek was well known in Japan, although it became more popular after the first two movies and the appearance of TNG. (There is a parody manga called "Star Trekker" which the lawyers from Paramount succeeded in stopping here...don't know how long it ran in Japan.)

Other American shows that I know did well in Japan: The Simpsons, the original Batman from the 1960s, Knight Rider, Airwolf, Buck Rogers, and Battlestar Galactica.

KingLeon · Post by **KingLeon** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:28 pm

Consider... Going backwards...
Clara is a technical 'Goddess'. She appearently lives on the belief people put in her (according to Fanboy's theory).
Jones is looking for a god, who created the very mysterious and unexplainable Rings event (and to think I thought that was just a mere random occurence when I read through the archives... EVERYTHING comes back in this comic... is that one sensible sounding thirteen-year old who was chatting with Rumi on the Net in the first chapter gonna reappear to, one day??).
Passus, a god, appears to Rikk, Alisin, and a church, pleading for Rikk to be his acolyte and lead his cause of fandom and pastimes (Doh! So that's where the name came from! Pastimes!). Rikk refuses, then Alisin refuses, blowing away whatever power Passus had left (appearently).
Jones says that the FIB might be able to one day heal Alison with Goddess Essence (might have been lure, though... that's how I thought of it...).
And this all might be connected to an ole Star Trek episode...
Not to mention, the General has yet to be revealed (which suddenly causes one to consider a certain other thread that I just read...)
Hmm... A God and a very SUITABLE Goddess?? I mean, she was once the envy of every fan (appearently)...
Huh... Just ramblin', like always...

Archer · Post by **Archer** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 8:42 pm

Other American shows that I know did well in Japan: The Simpsons, the original Batman from the 1960s, Knight Rider, Airwolf, Buck Rogers, and Battlestar Galactica.

Why is it I can't quite wrap my mind around Adam West dubbed into Japanese?

Catz Bartlett · Post by **Catz Bartlett** » Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:35 pm

Cool...wonder what 'Nanananananana...BATMAN!' sounds like in Japanese?

I always did wonder why so much English showed up in anime...guess it's 'cuz there's been cultural assimilation one way much longer than the other. I'm just glad that anime seems to be starting to go mainstream here...well, at least *about* to start...

And T, or anyone else who got that, what exactly DOES "R124C41" mean??

T Campbell · Post by **T Campbell** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 4:00 am

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/books ... horid=9164

Maybe I'll start communicating entirely in URLs.

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:07 am

On 2002-02-22 20:42, Archer wrote:
Why is it I can't quite wrap my mind around Adam West dubbed into Japanese?

I don't have to. I actually saw footage of Batman dubbed into Japanese, courtesy of a documentary on TV a decade or so ago. It might have been Entertainment Tonight or That's Hollywood.

ThePsiCop · Post by **ThePsiCop** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:12 am

FP,
I know Star Trek and many shows have been dubbed worldwide and have become popular in many other countries, I was just wondering what she has watched, we really don't know yet I believe.

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 11:21 am

On 2002-02-22 21:35, Catz Bartlett wrote:
I always did wonder why so much English showed up in anime...guess it's 'cuz there's been cultural assimilation one way much longer than the other. I'm just glad that anime seems to be starting to go mainstream here...well, at least *about* to start...

I've been into anime for well over fifteen years, and to me it's seemed it was always *about* to go mainstream.

As for English infiltrating the Japanese language, it started in the Meiji era when the Japanese were bringing in technical help from all over the world. The lion's share of the change, of course, happened after WW2 when American soldiers were occupying Japan and Japan was getting into electronics and high technology. America invented mass media and pop culture as we know it. The Japanese, especially after the war, adored America. Speed Racer was a particular nod to the U.S.--why else would Speed look so much like Elvis Presley and why would there be stories that involved our Old West and places like Mount Rushmore and Niagara Falls?

FlyingFish · Post by **FlyingFish** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:21 pm

Also, since English is fast becoming the world's second language (French is the only other serious competitor for the position), many Japanese learn at least a little English simply because it's so useful to know. The English language is actually an "in" thing to know among young nihonjin, and if you listen to modern J-Pop and J-Rock, you'll usually hear English words and phrases interspersed throughout the music.

Catz Bartlett · Post by **Catz Bartlett** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 5:44 pm

Danke schoen for the link, T ^_^

And I can vouch for the "English in J-Pop"...the whole first line, for example, of "Truth" from Utena is in English, and large parts of the rest of the song as well.

I'm really surprised that more Japanese hasn't crossed the gap into American...

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 7:15 pm

Too many Ugly American bigots. The kind who think if you don't speak "American" (they don't call it English) you ain't worth speaking to.

Frankly, when I was in High School, I wanted to learn Russian. At the time, the mass media was feeding off Reagan's rhetoric and hinting that the Cold War was on the verge of a nuclear resolution. I'm glad I was proven wrong, but also a little sorry that I couldn't study what I thought might have been a useful language. My interest in anime didn't start in earnest until after I left High School.

Japanese loanwords have been creeping into American english, but for the most part they've been brandnames and such. I must thank the Japanese, though: Kuso has been a particularly useful swear word...in particular in those times my sister's children have been present. When my niece asked what it meant, I told her "beef by-product".

Grifter · Post by **Grifter** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:34 pm

On 2002-02-23 19:15, FrustratedPilot wrote:
Too many Ugly American bigots. The kind who think if you don't speak "American" (they don't call it English) you ain't worth speaking to.

I've never heard anyone say American instead of English outside of television without being embarrassed afterwards.

I subscribe to the theory that most Americans are more lazy than anything else. Often people would like to make America out to be a great evil, but we really are just a sleeping giant.

Catz Bartlett · Post by **Catz Bartlett** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 10:12 pm

*feels obliged to add to previous statement*

The aforesaid slumbering titan is also far from necessarily evil - he's potentially a great force for good in the world. If the US ever manages to live up to its potential - to truly become a 'land of the free and home of the brave' - then it could jump to the next step of civilization...

On the other hand, it's far from certain that we ever WILL live up to our potential *deep sigh*

Roscoe · Post by **Roscoe** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 12:21 am

Actually, what with the infinite detainment, liberal terrorist-definition policy, and new freedoms allowed to the law enforcers (as opposed to the citizens), I don't think we'll be living up to that any time soon.

As I said on The Day, I fear not what others have done to us, I fear most what we shall do now to others (and to ourselves).

I hate when I'm right.

Czhorat · Post by **Czhorat** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 8:02 am

Mmm.. Things on which to comment!

On American Monolingualism:
They tried really hard to teach me French when I was in High School, and I almost learned some of it. Unfortunately, I've not had ANY chance to use it for the decade after I graduated. That's the problem with being way on THIS side of the Atlantic Ocean. Of course, my Karen speaks fluent French, so she might someday force me to learn...

On America's Place in the World:
I agree with Roscoe that our reaction can be a scary thing. Still, American's do have a very short attention span, so I think in the long run we'll get distracted by a shiny object and lose interest in the punishment of evildoers. The War on Terrorism has already, for the most part, fallen off the front page of most major newspapers. Before too long it will no longer feel unpatriotic to expect the cops to have a reason to detain you. In other words, I think we'll drift back to normal. With a little luck, it MIGHT even be a less isolationist kind of normal, but I wouldn't count on that.