Hmm... Interesting...

KingLeon · Post by **KingLeon** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 8:04 pm

So his father is a doctor? Did we know that before?
Hmm... definetly links to yesterday's, with Tim the Fanboy asking Will if he was really that clueless... I knew Tim the Fanboy was being insightful, and I said so before!
Interesting idea Little Tim had... Like a god that has run out of believers, she fades away... (I read too much Discworld, okay!)
If the Fans try this, to cheer her up to keep her better, it will definetly keep them around her a bit longer...
Er... yeah...

Zippthorn · Post by **Zippthorn** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 8:16 pm

On 2002-02-20 20:04, KingLeon wrote:
So his father is a doctor? Did we know that before?
Hmm... definetly links to yesterday's, with Tim the Fanboy asking Will if he was really that clueless... I knew Tim the Fanboy was being insightful, and I said so before!
Interesting idea Little Tim had... Like a god that has run out of believers, she fades away... (I read too much Discworld, okay!)
If the Fans try this, to cheer her up to keep her better, it will definetly keep them around her a bit longer...
Er... yeah...

Around her . . . and around each other. Madcap hilarity ensues as the love/hate relationship between Will and Shanna sprouts fruit, and the Rumi gets more time with her clueless man.

But I don't think they'll stay indefinitely. I think they'll organize some sort of fan convention or rally to really cheer . . . (oh crap, what's her name? Dottie?) up. Which would have the unintended consequence of returning the God of Pasttimes in search of his avatar . . .

Times of War *are* coming, right?

Zippthorn

ThePsiCop · Post by **ThePsiCop** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 8:22 pm

wow... Tim is really good at this... he's like a male Katherine!

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 8:30 pm

<i>The torch has been passed to a new generation of fanboys...

Ask not what fandom can do for you,
Ask what you can do for fandom.</i>

FP (whose father was among the Marines guarding JFK as he made the speech I'm misquoting, 1961)

Doublespeak · Post by **Doublespeak** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 9:19 pm

Great stuff, nice to see Tim2 with some depth, knew he had it in 'em. Though at first I read it as Tim2's father having cancer, not being a doctor. Shame that wasn't the case, gave it more punch.

As for what they will do; well tomorrow all the Fans! are going to break the 4th wall and ask us fans to clap our hands and will Tink..Dotty to live.

Quinch · Post by **Quinch** » Wed Feb 20, 2002 10:30 pm

Well, it does seem to fit... on the other hand, T^2's relationship to his father might prove to be an interesting issue... especially over his decision to ditch Harvard and waste his life with these star-gazing good-for-nothings.

Then again, maybe I'm just reading too far ahead.

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Thu Feb 21, 2002 2:29 am

OK, all references to myself aside I liked today's page.

I'm very very happy about how truly insightful Tim the Fanboy has been. I also like how T has used text once again. And,I noticed that the text simply said "Fanboy" a few times.

The whole fanboy concept is something that can be applied to all of the Fans in some way but it seems that Tim really does understand what being a fanboy MEANS. It seems to be what he's taken as his personal niche and as such he's put some thought into his position. While his idols were taking the spotlight (or humbly standing outside of it like Will) with Clara, Tim2 just soaked it in. He noticed the little things like her pulse monitor and the pacing of things. He's also got a good handle on how to talk to the group. I have an idea that anyone else would have gone at Will with a slightly less agressive choice of words. He knows what fans are supposed to do and how to do it.

I think that now that the team has got lots of experience dealing with world spanning threats they have a person to give them advice on how to do normal fen things. I'm not saying that Rikk and Will don't know how to be fans, but Tim2 knows how to be a fan that's appreciated.

OK, I better start before I start......... what is word........MaryJaning?
Can you do that with other people's characters? I need Cathowl to explain these things better.....

Khavren · Post by **Khavren** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 10:52 am

OK, I better start before I start......... what is word........MaryJaning?
Can you do that with other people's characters? I need Cathowl to explain these things better.....

What?

FlyingFish · Post by **FlyingFish** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:27 pm

"Mary Sue" (dunno if there's a verb equivalent). A character added to an established universe, through a fanfic, who bears blatant similarities to the fanfic writer (and therefore is likable, saves the day, gets the girl/guy, etc.)

RalphP · Post by **RalphP** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:56 pm

On 2002-02-23 12:27, FlyingFish wrote:
"Mary Sue" (dunno if there's a verb equivalent). A character added to an established universe, through a fanfic, who bears blatant similarities to the fanfic writer (and therefore is likable, saves the day, gets the girl/guy, etc.)

Oh - a Heinlein. <grins>

(Notice that there's a lot of RAH in most of his male, and even his female, central characters.)

RwP

KingLeon · Post by **KingLeon** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:01 pm

Heinlein... heh...
I have a theory that most supposedly wise old men in books are really just the author... I mean, if your ideals and morals are what you consider true wisdom, as an author, that's what you want your wise old men to say, right?
Old Ben and Yoda IS Lucas's ideals... EACH of Pratchett's books are so filled with aging guys, it's hard to tell which one is really supposed to be his morals... Makes me think he might be actually displaying different aspects of his ideals with each one... all though all tend to be either very cynical, or so benevolent, they're practically Taoist...

Gah... I rambled...

Catz Bartlett · Post by **Catz Bartlett** » Sat Feb 23, 2002 5:10 pm

Any work of literature is a mirror that, to some extent, reflects the writer...Middle-Earth, for example; as far as I've found, that's the place where JRR Tolkien would've liked to live. Of course, I could be wrong...

But whenever I write something, it always tends to parallel what I'm feeling when I write it...so it's true for me, at least, if not other writers or wannabe writers (like myself ^_^)

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 2:55 am

Ah, Mary Sue!
That is term.

Cathowl is the name my friend Maia prefers we use. She is a furry loving anime fan who writes DBZ aand other lemons, limes, and other fanfics. She is the one that explained many terms to me.

Vitriol · Post by **Vitriol** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 9:32 am

Oh - a Heinlein.

(Notice that there's a lot of RAH in most of his male, and even his female, central characters.)

I always figured that Heinlein saw himself as the father-figure in his books; have you noticed that in about 2/3rds of his books, there's an all-knowing father-figure, who instills a set of morals very different to those prevelent in the society in which they dwell, and who usually has all sorts of skills and qualifications but who has retired to raise his family in some back-water.

KingLeon · Post by **KingLeon** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 9:48 am

Yeah, and it's a set of moral that Austin Powers would entertaining, usually...

And don't forget, the old guy in Stranger in a Strange Land was a popular writer...

ThePsiCop · Post by **ThePsiCop** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 10:48 am

that would be Jubal Harshaw, IIRC.

Yes, Harshaw especially was an especially blatant representation of Heinlein.

Though I prefer Lazarus Long myself...

KingLeon · Post by **KingLeon** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 2:23 pm

The man of a billion congenital affairs?
(shudders)
I mean... his own MOTHER...
What does that say about Heinlein?

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Grifter · Post by **Grifter** » Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:25 pm

I always figured that Heinlein saw himself as the father-figure in his books; have you noticed that in about 2/3rds of his books, there's an all-knowing father-figure, who instills a set of morals very different to those prevelent in the society in which they dwell, and who usually has all sorts of skills and qualifications but who has retired to raise his family in some back-water.

Not exactly what you mentioned, but I can think of at least two who are similar to that.

The Old Man from the Puppet Masters. Old, wise, good at everything,f rom the narrators perspective. Takes utilitarianism to such extreme levels that he certainly ahs an unusual philosophy. However, he didn't raise his family away from trouble. Just the opposite, actually.
Sergeant Zim from Starship Troopers. Again, very skilled, specifically in troop motivation, weapons handling and tactics. He espouses an extremely militaristitc point of view, again instilling an unusual (for our society) set of morals. No family that I can recall, but he certainly has a pseudo-father relationship with his squad.

Honorable mention: The doctor from Waldo, although in my opinion he's not trying to portray the same type of realtionship there.

Khavren · Post by **Khavren** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:30 am

I think it was more a device that he built stories around as opposed to a blatant attempt to insert himself into every book. The isolation from normal society offers liberty to explore small groups dynmaics more easily, which IMO makes a better story as a rule, too many characters spoil the plot. The old man with many skills is the McGuffin to resolve all unresolvable issues. I personally think the Old Man was inspired by Campbell, as you can see trends towards it in a lot of other authors work, including Star Wars.

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:38 am

On 2002-02-25 09:30, Khavren wrote:
I personally think the Old Man was inspired by Campbell, as you can see trends towards it in a lot of other authors work, including Star Wars.

Here that T?! You inspired Lucas and Heinlein!
Gosh, whatta guy!