What shows is Jackie watching?

Muttley · Post by **Muttley** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 2:26 am

Roscoe said:
"Not all Brits speak with a cockney accent, and NONE of us speak with a Liverpool accent."
---Well, on balance I would say that a very small number of people speak Cockney (confined to a relatively small area of the East End of London), while a substantial proportion of the population of Liverpool speak "Scouse" (Liverpudlian). Presumably your friend is from London, or the South-East? I have several Scouse-speaking friends, but none who speak Cockney (and I'm in the South-East too).FrustratedPilot said:
Have you ever seen British actors play American roles?
---Well, yes, I have, and so have you. I think you only notice the bad ones. For instance, Damien Lewis, who plays Richard Winters in Band of Brothers, is English . . .It's difficult for me to detect the difference between a good attempt at an American accent and a bad one. Can anyone tell me how convincing the accent of 100% British Hugh Laurie is as Mr Little. opposite Geena Davis in "Stuart Little"? But I can give you a counter-example: Dick Van Dyke as a Cockney chimney sweep (in "Mary Poppins") is spectacularly, paralysingly, dreadfully awful.Muttley

HariSeldon · Post by **HariSeldon** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 2:29 am

Hmm, I thought I knew British SF.
_White Dwarf_ I can guess at.
Same for _Bleak's 7_.
But is _The Doctor_ at all related to _Doctor Why?_ a la <A HREF="http://faans.com/d/20000315.html" TARGET=_blank>http://faans.com/d/20000315.html</A> or did T just decide it sounded better?

Tuscahoma · Post by **Tuscahoma** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 2:53 am

American accent?! What, pray tell, is an American accent? I guess it would be the one used by many news anchors on the networks, which I believe is supposed to be some neutral version of a midwestern accent (is that right? what's a midwestern accent?). I mean, I'm from Texas, and not having really done a study on it, but I know that the accents I hear in Waco, Paris, Beaumont, Corpus Christi and Laredo are all different (central, eastern, south-eastern, southern, south-western parts of Texas, respectively). And most actors don't get any of them right. Larry Hagman, J.R. Ewing of Dallas, actually did a central Texas accent, but he's from Texas, my friend's grandmother who lived in Waco changed his diapers.I can't even imagine the variety when you figure in other states, different ethnic groups (my wife tells me that Corpus Christi Spanish is different from San Diego Spanish, some people in San Diego thought she was speaking Spanish with a drawl and correctly surmised she was from Texas), regions, etc.So, American accent? Heh. That's a good one.--Tuscahoma

Psiogen · Post by **Psiogen** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 3:15 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tuscahoma:
So, American accent? Heh. That's a good one.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Heh. Here in Brooklyn, people who've grown up 200 yards apart have radically different accents.
I have an especially confused version, having lived 3 of my first 4 years in South Carolina before coming here. I would probably fare worse than most Brits at attempting an "American" accent.------------------
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Amorph · Post by **Amorph** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 4:18 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>American accent?! What, pray tell, is an American accent? I guess it would be the one used by many news anchors on the networks, which I believe is supposed to be some neutral version of a midwestern accent (is that right? what's a midwestern accent?).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The broadcaster voice is identified as Nebraskan, although I haven't heard many Nebraskans - or Midwesterners - talk like that.And I'm in Iowa.
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Tarkas · Post by **Tarkas** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 5:01 am

Since the "real" Doctor only ever refers to himself as "The Doctor", I'd suspect that Jackie is using standard fan-speak, saying that she watches the Doctor's adventures as chronicled by the "Dr Why" series.I'm more curious as to what exactly her accent is supposed to be; those vowel sounds seem a little mixed, and I have horrible memories of other so-called Brit accents as written by North Americans... not to mention their appaling habit of thinking we Aussies have the same accent as the Poms... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">------------------
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TrueRaijin · Post by **TrueRaijin** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 5:08 am

You want weird? I'll give you weird. I live in Jersey. And never, ever, have I heard a genuine 'Jersey' accecnt. (Except on people who are from New York. Take into account that there are a million and 27 accents in New York.) So there? Umm.. what was I trying to say? Damn you ronin! and you too kitarak!
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TrueRaijin · Post by **TrueRaijin** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 5:26 am

Whatever it's supposed to be, I'm pretty sure T knows what he's doing. I've been reading this comic a while, and he's usually good about this kind of thing.

Blondlot · Post by **Blondlot** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:14 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tuscahoma:
American accent?! What, pray tell, is an American accent? I guess it would be the one used by many news anchors on the networks, which I believe is supposed to be some neutral version of a midwestern accent (is that right? what's a midwestern accent?). --Tuscahoma<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The most common accent in the United states is a non-regional one with some small variances in inflection place to place. That's also the one that you're probably thinking of when you talk about anchor-people.
Usually if someone means a particular accent, they'll specify (a Texas accent, a New England accent, etc.), but if someone just says an "American accent" they mean non-regional.Ex animo,
m.d

Kouban no Hakase · Post by **Kouban no Hakase** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:19 am

Speaking of Peter Davison and bad American accents... Doctor Who fans will recall Nicola Bryant's portrayal of Peri Brown. I try and try to pin down her 'American' accent, but it seems to wander all over between upstate New York and the Big Apple itself.

Blondlot · Post by **Blondlot** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:29 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Muttley:
But I can give you a counter-example: Dick Van Dyke as a Cockney chimney sweep (in "Mary Poppins") is spectacularly, paralysingly, dreadfully awful.Muttley<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Project Poppins was actually established by the NSA in the hopes that should America face an war with Britain we could just paralyze the enemy with horrible accents. Now that you know, you must be dealt with. As for my cousin, she tries very hard, but it always sounds fake. She phones me at weird times and tries to engage me in conversation as if she were a stranger. I can't imagine how much trouble she gets into when her dad gets the bill.Ex animo,
m.d

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 7:42 am

I wonder how many Brits watch mondominishows.com's "Thugs on Film".

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 8:27 am

Have you ever seen British actors play American roles? There was a TV series starring Peter Davison called "A Most Peculiar Practice" (IIRC), in which two major characters were supposed to be Americans and they were both played by actors who got it ALL WRONG! How embarrassing.

Regault · Post by **Regault** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 9:03 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Amorph:
 The broadcaster voice is identified as Nebraskan, although I haven't heard many Nebraskans - or Midwesterners - talk like that.And I'm in Iowa.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, I heard that the "official" American accent used by newscasters is based on Edward R. Murrow's, who is from Pullman, WA. This is why WSU still has a very famous school of broadcasting.

Roscoe · Post by **Roscoe** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 10:15 am

This is what one of my Brit friends told me:
"Not all Brits speak with a cockney accent, and NONE of us speak with a Liverpool accent."

NathanAlderman · Post by **NathanAlderman** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 10:29 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FrustratedPilot:
Have you ever seen British actors play American roles? There was a TV series starring Peter Davison called "A Most Peculiar Practice" (IIRC), in which two major characters were supposed to be Americans and they were both played by actors who got it ALL WRONG! How embarrassing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The magnificent Claudia Black, of Farscape, has the best voice this side of Emma Thompson. But when she attempts an American accent-- see one of her guest spots on "Hercules" or one of the rare "Farscape" epsiodes where she gets to attempt one-- and her voice becomes amusingly nasal and squeaky.It's a shame, I tell you.-- Nathan,
who has never read LOTR

Blondlot · Post by **Blondlot** » Tue Oct 09, 2001 10:57 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FrustratedPilot:
Have you ever seen British actors play American roles? There was a TV series starring Peter Davison called "A Most Peculiar Practice" (IIRC), in which two major characters were supposed to be Americans and they were both played by actors who got it ALL WRONG! How embarrassing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have a cousin that thinks she does a great American accent, but she sounds like a cowboy with Down's syndrome when she tries it. Ex animo,
m.d

Athene Parthenos · Post by **Athene Parthenos** » Wed Oct 10, 2001 4:32 am

actually, quite a lot of famous actors and actresses are very good at doing american accents. Nicole Kidman for example is Austrailian. So is Mel Gibson (i think). And of course Tracy Ulman can do any accent in the world!

Maccabee · Post by **Maccabee** » Wed Oct 10, 2001 7:25 am

Watch The Airzone Solution and learn that Nicola Bryant can't do a dozen other foreign accents either. I love British low-budget sci-fi.In Doctor Who: "The Chase"(1965 or thereabouts) Peter Purves did an absolutely horrid "southern" American accent when the TARDIS landed on the Empire State Building. The crew asked him if he was from Earth and he replied "No. Alabama!" I'd be insulted if I didn't sort of agree with the sentiment myself. Shortly thereafter Purves joined the regular cast as (thank god) a different character."Project Poppins" is only one of Disney's many plans for global domination. It gets hard to keep track after a while.Mel Gibson's originally from New York. He picked up an Australian accent when he moved down there, but his American accent has come back since he's moved back to the states.I'm from New Jersey originally, and I have relatives who speak with a "New Jersey" accent. I've only got traces of it myself, but it gets stronger when I talk to friends or relatives from the New York metropolitan area.Maccabee
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ZOMBIE USER 1252 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 1252** » Wed Oct 10, 2001 8:57 am

Speaking of No-Talent Bryant ... does anyone remember the 6th Doc episode that was "Something-or-other of the Daleks" that took place on the giant cemetary-planet? When the DJ asked Peri if that was her real accent and acted so horribly impressed ... coulda killed me.For more fun with Doctors and non-Americans, dredge up a copy of the Campion episode titled "Mystery Mile." (Campion is excellent, as a rule, and Peter Davison is far better as a gentleman detective, in my opinion.) Sit back and enjoy. o.OBest fishes,
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