WTF???? Tim Burton being SUED by Kevin Smith over "Apes" en

Darth Ferret · Post by **Darth Ferret** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:29 am

<A HREF="http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2- ... 36,00.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2- ... 00.html</A> You have got to be kidding? Kevin Smith actually wants the world to know that HE came up with this cop-out ending?Well, this is the guy who wrote "Mallrats".Que Lastima!

T Campbell · Post by **T Campbell** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:58 am

Kevin, Kevin, you're better than this. There's a little thing called coincidence. I came up with the plot for a GREEN LANTERN comic before it came out, but I'm not entitled to a dime from it.This is about SUPERMAN LIVES, isn't it?Those who've checked out "Kevin Smitt" in LOVING THE ALIEN know that I admire Kevin more often than not... his version of the JLA may have put me off GREEN ARROW, but he's generally a nice guy who deserves the success he's gotten. Generally. Don't go Hollywood on us, man.Geez, it's like "Pettiness Theater" this morning...

Jmcd37 · Post by **Jmcd37** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 7:19 am

Its all being blown out of proportion
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Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 10:00 am

I'm not reading the article because I don't want the Planet of the Apes ending ruined for me.Admittedly I think I already have a good general idea, and I don't have high hopes for it in the first place. But, still, it's a Tim Burton movie and I want to have it as enjoyable as possible (after Ed Wood, Burton seems to have gotten into a bit of a slump, Mars Attacks was funny but mindless, Sleepy Hollow was decent, but somehow something was missing, and now this).Of Kevin Smith's movies, I've just seen Mallrats and Dogma. Mallrats was great for a fan-boy movie (Stan Lee appeared, Yay!) and Dogma was a solid angel/demon flick (Metatron kicked ass). But after his cracks about Burton on the aborted Superman film, I've been a little annoyed with Kevin Smith. I guess this is carrying that further. Oh well, that's just my personal prejudice. Someone disses my favorite director and I get a little prickly.

Strangeone · Post by **Strangeone** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 10:47 am

Personally, before I make a judgement about Smith as a director, I'll wait to see a film of his that doesn't include either Jay or Silent Bob. Supposedly, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and Clerks: Sell Out will be the last productions to feature them.Smith as a person, however, has bothered me a bit. Sure, he worked for his success, but on occasion his opinions have gotten on my nerves, Superman Lives being a great example.

Valerie Elizabeth · Post by **Valerie Elizabeth** » Thu Aug 09, 2001 10:47 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Darth Ferret:
 <A HREF="http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2- ... 36,00.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2- ... 00.html</A> You have got to be kidding? Kevin Smith actually wants the world to know that HE came up with this cop-out ending?Well, this is the guy who wrote "Mallrats".Que Lastima!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Kevin said it in jest and it's been blown way out of proportion.But it is uncanny how much alike the two are, and I'm quite disappointed in Burton's response to the rumors.and how quickly some fans will turn their backs.. *shakes head*[This message has been edited by Valerie Elizabeth (edited 08-09-2001).]

T Campbell · Post by **T Campbell** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:27 am

Thanks, guys, I never would have checked out the VA side without you...

Pirate Dave · Post by **Pirate Dave** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:37 am

I heard the new movie's ending was actually closer to what was in the original book.
My reaction: "There was a BOOK?!"The directing and acting is what made that movie anyway, not the script.

NathanAlderman · Post by **NathanAlderman** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:16 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by T Campbell:
This is about SUPERMAN LIVES, isn't it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>All the accounts I've read of Kevin Smith's involvement in Superman Lives, including several from the man himself, indicate that any grudge he might hold in that respect is aimed not at Tim Burton but at Jon Peters. Who's Jon Peters? He started out as Barbra Streisand's hairdresser, and through some quirk of fate (I'm thinking a pact with Satan) became a Hollywood producer. The success of the original Batman movie got him a cushy job running Sony Pictures with his partner Peter Guber, and they embarked on a near-orgy of waste and mismanagement that nearly drove the studio into the ground. But somehow, ol' Jon landed on his feet, and went on to produce such universally loved masterpieces as Batman & Robin and The Wild Wild West.If I recall Kevin Smith's account correctly, Peters would fly Smith out to Hollywood to read him the latest draft of the script, because Peters didn't like to read things himself. Peters originally insisted that giant polar bears guard the Fortress of Solitude, then changed that to Shaolin kung-fu monks after seeing said monks perform on Regis & Kathie Lee. There was also some nonsense about a giant spider which, after Superman Lives ran aground, Peters merely inserted into Wild Wild West.The impressive thing in all this is that, despite all this producorial nonsense, <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/ajeewa/movies ... -lives.txt" TARGET=_blank>Kevin Smith's script for Superman Lives</A> really isn't bad. Perfect? No, but it does a great job of humanizing the characters, and the dialogue is a lot of fun. At one point, the Eradicator (living Kryptonian device from the comics) is explaining to a depowered Superman how such and such new-fangled armor (most likely mandated by the ol' marketing department) will protect him and give him strength. "When I was playing Little League," the Man of Steel sighs, "it began and ended with a cup." (=-- Nathan,
wildly off topic.UPDATE: I'm gonna go ahead and stick my foot in my mouth here, as AICN reports that Smith once handed one of its columnists a script to "Superman Lives" signed, "F--- Tim Burton." Oh well.[This message has been edited by NathanAlderman (edited 08-10-2001).]

Strangeone · Post by **Strangeone** » Fri Aug 10, 2001 11:40 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pirate Dave:
I heard the new movie's ending was actually closer to what was in the original book.
My reaction: "There was a BOOK?!"The directing and acting is what made that movie anyway, not the script.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, it was a novel by French author Pierre Bouelle entitled Monkey Planet. I haven't read it, but I might at some point, if I can find it.

My name is Kenny · Post by **My name is Kenny** » Mon Aug 13, 2001 8:16 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bevan:
I'm not reading the article because I don't want the Planet of the Apes ending ruined for me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, let the ending itself ruin it for you. God that ending sucked.------------------
I'm so sane it's driving me crazy.