Here we go again

[Canis_lupus]

http://youneed2see.com/political/113/Residents_spar_over_a_peace_sign
Sigh.

[BrockthePaine]

Let her keep her silly little peace sign. It's her property, not the homeowners association's. We used to live in one of those neighborhoods - they made a bunch of silly rules about what brands of paint you could use on your house, and how high your plants could be, how many square feet of grass you could have in your front lawn, and stupid stuff like that. Self-important pimple-heads, the whole lot of them.

[StrangeWulf13]

Ugh. Beuracrats. They make life stink for the rest of us. Control freaks, every last one of 'em.

I say we hang the President of the Homeowners Association by her underwear on the flagpole... Sic temper tyranus.

[Canis_lupus]

Dont even get me started on the Homeowners Association people. I worked as a Lifeguard at the pool of a snobby housing complex. Such bad memories.

[MikeVanPelt]

[quote="BrockthePaine" ]L... homeowners association's. We used to live in one of those neighborhoods - they made a bunch of silly rules about what brands of paint you could use on your house, and how high your plants could be, how many square feet of grass you could have in your front lawn, and stupid stuff like that. Self-important pimple-heads, the whole lot of them.[/quote]

I lived in such a place once... never again. Not just control freaks who want to run everyone else's lives for them, but mandatory dues every month, that go up regularly, and absolutely zero to show for all the money. And regular lies, lies, lies from the ruling clique at the excruciatingly tedious association meetings.

Never. Again.

When we moved, my instructions to the realtor were that any sort of owners association whatsoever was an absolute deal-breaker; I would not under any circumstances consent to involve myself in any such thing ever again.

If we ever move again, the same rule will apply.

[Canis_lupus]

Good move. Some of those members are staight up soup nazis.

[Axelgear]

Am I the only one that realizes the whole "No signs or symbols that can be considered divisive" means that NOTHING at ALL can be up? Not even houses, because some far, far, far out-there environmentalists believe a house is a desecration of nature. Silly peoples... Does that mean "Peace be with you" is now not allowed to be said in that neighbourhood?

Well, at least it gives us some people to feel smarter than at least.

[Canis_lupus]

No matter what you do, someone will get offended by it.

[Earl McClaw]

I live in a condo community, which is probably a bit like your Homeowner's Association. But considering it means I have to do effectively zero external maintenance, I don't mind. Your Homeowner's Association sounds like all the negatives with none of the positives (with the possible exception of banning day-glo paint jobs.)

[Narnian]

No matter what you do, someone will get offended by it.

Hey, that offends me!

[Atarlost]

Believe it or not it actually is an anti-christian symbol.

http://www.bbhq.com/peacesin.htm

A neronic cross in a circle. For those who want to fiddle while the world burns. How appropriate.

[Namrepus221]

Believe it or not it actually is an anti-christian symbol.

http://www.bbhq.com/peacesin.htm

A neronic cross in a circle. For those who want to fiddle while the world burns. How appropriate.

That is your interpretation, not what it really is.

They provide no evidence or pictures that could prove this "theory" correct.

Anyone with a college education will tell you that if it's not cited, then it never happned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_sign <- Better definition

[Wanderwolf]

Actually, they say the Neronic cross resembles the Teutonic cross (seen here upon the regalia of a 27th-degree mason of the Scottish Rite)... which looks nothing like a peace symbol, circle or no cirle.

A more accurate (but only slightly more evident) connection is to the Elder Futhark runes; the peace symbol is the rune Algiz, or possibly Maðr, inverted, within a protective circle.

Why is this important? Because the first rune, Algiz, is believed to mean "elk"; the second means "man".

Since runes don't necessarily take on different meanings when inverted, it can therefore mean "protect man".

According to the designer (Gerald Holtom, a conscientious objector), however, it's semaphore:

N: Arms akimbo, flags down: / \

Right arm above head, left arm between legs, forming a straight line:

|
|

Thus:
|
/|\

Slap a circle around it, you're there. He has also stated that it was further inspired by the expression of despair: Arms akimbo, palms outward, drawn from Goya's depiction of a peasant before a Franconian firing squad.

Honestly, the funny ideas some people get...

Yours truly,

The factual,

Wanderer

[Deckard Canine]

Anyone who sees that sign in a Christmas wreath and thinks of the Satan sign before "Peace on Earth, Goodwill to Men" (or "...All") could use a long hosing. And anyone who thinks it's strictly political and therefore objectionable in any context can get what he or she asks for: no peace.

[Namrepus221]

According to teh Wikipedia article the peace sign was created from the semafore flag symbols for "N" and "D" (which stood for Nuclear Disarmamanet)

This reminds me of the opening scene with Tom hanks from the Da Vinci code. You can look at something, and get the context completely wrong because of social misinterpretation.

[MikeVanPelt]

And anyone who thinks it's strictly political and therefore objectionable in any context can get what he or she asks for: no peace.

It's pretty thoroughly documented that the sign was devised for a specific political campaign, The Campaign For (Unilateral) Nuclear Disarmament, in the late 1950s. Basically, an anti-resistance-to-Soviet-Communisim movement. I never observed it being used in any protest against Communist nukes.

Its use branched out a lot from there. However, one characteristic never changed -- it is always -- always -- used by people who are criticising the United States and its allies. It has never, to the best of my knowledge, ever been used to criticize warlike, violent actions of enemies of the United States.

[The JAM]

I was taught that it stood for the Antichrist: it's an upside down cross (pointing to Hell), and broken (trying to annull the original sacrifice) and in a circle (portraying reincarnation).

[Canis_lupus]

I was taught that it stood for the Antichrist: it's an upside down cross (pointing to Hell), and broken (trying to annull the original sacrifice) and in a circle (portraying reincarnation).

I guess symbols like this all depend on how you interprete them. your opinion sounded wierd at first but when you nitpik a symbol you can get almost any meaning from it.

Virgin mary on a grilled cheese anyone?

[Deckard Canine]

Just to clarify: when I said "any context," I meant "every context."

[Madmoonie]

Well, regardless of your inpretations, the person who put it up most likely did not mean any satanic symbolism. They most likely meant something akin to Peace on Earth or something. These Home Owner's Associations are little biddies in cardigans (I know I spelled that one wrong) who go around simply looking for something to be offended by. Sneezing in their presence would get you labeled for dumping bio-waste in the air or something. Probably these HOA people were just looking for a reason to nail this person and they found it. (Same kind of people who object to 'Under God' in the pledge of allegiance.)