September 17th - Night noises

[Wallaroo_Blacke]

Wow, they really don't ever stop, do they?

I highly doubt it. Besides, it's between two consentiing adults...
...two MARRIED consenting adults.

You'd think a big old mansion would have thicker walls than that. Or is Penny right next door to Ben and Lily's room?

I believe the answers are both YES.

[Steltek]

Hey, just an observation, I'm not saying they should stop -- in fact, given their religion, they can't, as the bible essentially mandates frequent sexual intercourse between married couples.

[Wayfarer]

In truth it wouldn't be that unlikely for Penny to hear everything that is going on. A house that old would have convection heating (think honking big furnace with a spiderweb of ducts coming out of it) and have vents into the other rooms for circulation.

Oooh - the house my family and I just moved out of had vents like that. My parents slept in the basement, and my sister and I upstairs. Sometimes, if we wanted to communicate without going down two flights of stairs, we would yell through the heating duct.

[RDB]

Hey, just an observation, I'm not saying they should stop -- in fact, given their religion, they can't, as the [Bible] essentially mandates frequent sexual intercourse between married couples.

Got BCV on that?

Ron

[Celidah the Bardess]

Well, RDB, how ELSE are we supposed to "be fruitful and multiply?"

[Sharuuk]

If you were entrusted with the welfare of a hormone-crazed teenager, where would you put them?

Ah, of course! Next to hormone-crazed newlyweds!! Nothing would turn her off faster than knowing that someone older than her is doing what she WANTS to do!!

And thus Sheldon spake, "I think that Penny's broken"

Ahhh yess......BUT.....will she now be walking around like this? >O.O<

[Gengar003]

On a completely unrelated note, I wonder if Goblin Hollow allows you to purchase tokens with these?

Seems like the sort of thing Ben would do -- stickin' it to the man, and all.

Very cool. If vending machines took those....

Seriously, though, I'd love some of that.

[Wayfarer]

Hey, just an observation, I'm not saying they should stop -- in fact, given their religion, they can't, as the [Bible] essentially mandates frequent sexual intercourse between married couples.

Got BCV on that?

Ron

He could be thinking of 1 Cor. 7:5.

[Steltek]

Yeah, the relevant scripture is 1 Cor 7:2-6

[CasVeg]

I want to make a twisted remark, but I can't think of anything. So, I'll just "borrow" someone else's material from another thread:

And now time for the perverted comment of the thread!

When I first came up with this idea after a drunken game of solitare I thought it would last for all of 5 minutes. And now we are at the climax. Words can't express how awesome this is.

And that is what we call "Love".

[Starcat5]

I'm betting she's regretting that comment she made a little while back:
http://utlt.keenspace.com/d/20050808.html

{Edit}
And this marks my return to the UtLT forum after an aprox 9 month absence. I just NEEDED to comment on this one.

[RDB]

Yeah, the relevant scripture is 1 Cor 7:2-6

"Stop depriving each other" isn't the same as the "frequently" of your original post

Ron

[UncleMonty]

Yeah, the relevant scripture is 1 Cor 7:2-6

(2) "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

(3) Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

(4) The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

(5) Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

(6) But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

(7) For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.


Hmmm... The only part I note urging a couple to have intercourse is verse five, and that only as a gentle suggestion that neither should deny the other (in order to help prevent extramarital affairs). In verse six the writer (Paul, the Apostle: A lawyer by trade and a citizen of Rome.) points out that this is not a commandment.

That's my "read" on this, anyway. I well understand that others may read different meanings into religious scriptures than I. Here it is, though - for all interested parties to peruse at leisure.

[Steltek]

Many read his "speaking by permission" to refer to his personal notion that it's better to remain unmarried, not to his directions regarding sex in marriage. What Paul is saying in verse six is, at least as I see it, quite significant -- that to abstain from sex in marriage is to defraud each other, and that any such abstinence should only be practiced by mutual agreement for spiritual pursuits, and then only for a short period.

Why this is significant, I believe, is that it shows the Early Church was well aware that a healthy sex life was crucial to a stable, godly marriage. But as you said, different people read it differently. But this attitude towards sex is something you'll find affirmed elsewhere in the Bible, in Hebrews, Proverbs, and obviously in the Song of Solomon.

[Celidah the Bardess]

Ooooo boy, Song of Solomon.

Every time I run across the interpretation that it's a metaphor for the relationship between Christ and His church (hence the Messianic nickname "lily of the valley" that you'll encounter in some hymns), I look at it...

pause...

And go, "No. Freaking. Way."

[RHJunior]

Minor note:

Actually, Paul was NOT unmarried. He was most likely a widower, though.

See, it states that he was a member of the Sanhedrin.... and membership of that august body was only open to MARRIED OR WIDOWED men.

[SolidusRaccoon]

Minor note:

Actually, Paul was NOT unmarried. He was most likely a widower, though.

See, it states that he was a member of the Sanhedrin.... and membership of that august body was only open to MARRIED OR WIDOWED men.

This is true.

[Mwalimu]

Minor note:

Actually, Paul was NOT unmarried. He was most likely a widower, though.

See, it states that he was a member of the Sanhedrin.... and membership of that august body was only open to MARRIED OR WIDOWED men.

Interesting. I was always of the impression that the tentmaker from Tarsus never married, but it does sound as if he has some experience on marital relationships. I shall have to go review the literature on that point.

There was a lady named Thecla who ministered for the early church. By some accounts, she and Paul were quite attracted to one another, but they kept their relationship chaste. On a later occasion, Thecla was preaching when a group of men attempted to subdue and ravish her, but she is saved from this fate by a miraculous intervention.

[The JAM]

[...unWARP!!!]

Good evening.

Ooooo boy, Song of Solomon.

Every time I run across the interpretation that it's a metaphor for the relationship between Christ and His church (hence the Messianic nickname "lily of the valley" that you'll encounter in some hymns), I look at it...

pause...

And go, "No. Freaking. Way."

Exactly. Where is the belly button of the church? Where is the torso of the church? The whole book is a celebration of the love between a husband and wife.

Even if it was a metaphor, some people (and music groups, such as Petra and signer/evangelist Carman) have erroneously assigned the term "Rose of Sharon" to Yeshua.

Wrong.

Read the paragraph carefully, and you'll see that the line is said by THE HUSBAND, not the wife.


As for the Sanhedrin, married or widowed men were preferred...

...because they believed that those type of guys were more docile....

[SolidusRaccoon]

I am single and very docile, just have a meglania problem.