Valentine's Day

Labrusca · Post by **Labrusca** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:42 pm

In honor of Valentine's Day and Ben and Lily's first one as a married couple, a flash from the past that's probably the opposite of how they celebrate now. http://utlt.keenspace.com/d/20010212.html

RKCoon · Post by **RKCoon** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:25 pm

One thing ive never seen the point for is Valentines day. what IS the point of it, anyway???

Yuoofox · Post by **Yuoofox** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:41 pm

To commemorate St. Valentine.

RKCoon · Post by **RKCoon** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:55 pm

Which is who?

Mad Mike · Post by **Mad Mike** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:05 pm

Saint Valentine was a priest who was made a martyr when he was beheaded on February 14, 269. Geoffrey Chaucer was the first person to associate Saint Valentine with lovers when he claimed that birds first started pairing off each spring on February 14. St. Valentine is now considered the patron saint of lovers.

The JAM · Post by **The JAM** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:04 pm

[...unWARP!!!]

Good evening.

Don't forget, Valentinvs was excecuted by Roman command because of his Christian beliefs.

Yuoofox · Post by **Yuoofox** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:17 pm

I heard he also performed marriage ceremonies for couples, when it was difficult to get a sanctioned marriage otherwise.

http://www.pictureframes.co.uk/pages/sa ... entine.htm

Yuoofox · Post by **Yuoofox** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:20 pm

While we're on the subject, let me share with you a favorite love song of mine:

Love, love changes everything: hands and faces, earth and sky.
Love, love changes everything: how you live and how you die.
Love can make the summer fly, or a night seem like a lifetime.
Yes, love, love changes everything, now I tremble at your name.
Nothing in the world will ever be the same.

Love, love changes everything: days are longer, words mean more.
Love, love changes everything: pain is deeper than before.
Love will turn your world around, and that world will last forever.
Yes, love, love changes everything, brings you glory, brings you shame.
Nothing in the world will ever be the same.

Off into the world we go, planning futures, shaping years.
Love bursts in and suddenly all our wisdom disappears.
Love makes fools of everyone: all the rules we make are broken.
Yes, love, love changes everything: live or perish, in its flame.
Love will never ever let you be the same.
Love will never ever let you be the same.

Music: Andrew Lloyd Webber.
Lyrics: Don Black & Charles Hart.
Show: "Aspects of love" (1989).

UncleMonty · Post by **UncleMonty** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:21 pm

It's a day in which people are either pressured to do something incomprehensibly "romantic" for their loves, or reminded of what losers they are for not having a partner. Its purpose is to market restaurants, bars, wine, chocolate, and an assortment of items centered around sexual fun and games, because folks... sex sells.

The JAM · Post by **The JAM** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:24 pm

[...unWARP!!!]

Good evening.

Sadly, yes. The solemn memorial of a martyr has been distorted by commercialism and eroticism.

Sharuuk · Post by **Sharuuk** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:55 pm

UncleMonty wrote:or reminded of what losers they are for not having a partner.

Just out of curiosity, since when did not having a "partner" make one a loser? I've been happily single for 55 years and to this day do not regret it one bit. I do not envy those with large families, nor do I feel any ill will toward them. I'm just not "cut out" for family or parenthood.....simple as that.

So Monty, why does that make me a "loser" on St. Valentines Day?

BTW.....NOT spoiling for a fight....just asking.

Shaaruuk

StrangeWulf13 · Post by **StrangeWulf13** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:21 am

Eh, I think he means that's just the popular consensus. It's also how some single people kinda see themselves around this time. "Yeah, gee, thanks for reminding how friggin' alone I am." *bitter mode off*

As for you, Sharuuk, I believe the Apostle Paul made it clear in his writings (which I'm not sure) that marriage was not something to be pressured into, but was a union that should be sought by those who could not bear being alone, and for whom sexual temptation was especially powerful. If a man could get along without a wife and not fall into sin, then what use is marriage to him save as a financial matter? (and these days it's often better not to marry thanks to the taxes on it)

If you're a single guy, and you're happy that way, why should ya be "encouraged" to marry? It's a serious thing, so I wouldn't advise anyone treat it lightly. Those who do will find their hearts scarred beyond repair.

RHJunior · Post by **RHJunior** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:20 am

ACtually, when Paul said he'd rather that all men were as him, he was referring to the fact that he *personally* thought it better that a WIDOWER never REmarried... not that men never got married at all. (See, Paul was once a member of the Sandhedrin--- and membership in that order was reserved *only for those men who were, or had once been, married.*)

God said it first: "It is not good that Man is alone...." And in all sincerity, His word holds a little more weight than those of Paul-- who admitted himself that he was merely rendering his own opinion on the matter.

Sharuuk · Post by **Sharuuk** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:39 am

I stated that rather badly......simply put, I have never met a woman that I'd want to spend the rest of my life with......OR that would want to put up with me for life.

That's what I meant about not being "cut out" for marriage or parenthood.

Shaaruuk

Yuoofox · Post by **Yuoofox** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:27 pm

I give three cheers to anyone on this forum who's a parent. It's hard work, and even the best of people end up doing things they wish they did better. But still, it's a wonderful thing to love, teach, and lead a child.

UncleMonty · Post by **UncleMonty** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:02 pm

Sharuuk wrote:
UncleMonty wrote:or reminded of what losers they are for not having a partner.
Just out of curiosity, since when did not having a "partner" make one a loser? I've been happily single for 55 years and to this day do not regret it one bit. I do not envy those with large families, nor do I feel any ill will toward them. I'm just not "cut out" for family or parenthood.....simple as that.

So Monty, why does that make me a "loser" on St. Valentines Day?

BTW.....NOT spoiling for a fight....just asking.

Shaaruuk

I have no idea why not having a "partner" causes one to be viewed as a "loser".
I was relating my own experiences, as having been on the receiving end of such pressure.
It's the sort of thing that adds just a tiny bit of pathos to an otherwise funny song by "Tism"
which was recently made into an excellent animation on albinoblacksheep.com...

Sharuuk · Post by **Sharuuk** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:34 am

UncleMonty wrote:I have no idea why not having a "partner" causes one to be viewed as a "loser".
I was relating my own experiences, as having been on the receiving end of such pressure.
It's the sort of thing that adds just a tiny bit of pathos to an otherwise funny song by "Tism"
which was recently made into an excellent animation on albinoblacksheep.com...

Good enough answer Monty, thank you. MOF, I wasn't upset or offended in any way....I've never felt I was a loser for being single, and you are right, it seems to be some form of concensus. I get valentines from friends both married and single and I just think it's sweet that they're thinking of me.

Shaaruuk