As bad as voyager was for incongruities, it paled in comparison to Enterprise, GODS did that show ever fly inthe face of TOS and the rest, that was one idea that shoulda been left on the drafting table.
Actually, id say DS9 was my fav, i LOVED the mammoth ship wars they had, utterly gorgeous. lotsa daft eps too tho i thought. o.O
Ahhh yes...
okay, look. I sat down after seeing the premise of Voyager and *in the first five minutes* figured out at least three ways they could have gotten home in their lifetime, if not instantly.
1)Travel back in time the number of years it would take the ship to get home. Then, either put everyone in suspended animation.....
2)... Or adjust the warp drive so that einsteinian time dilation made time past at .01% it's normal speed inside the ship.
3)Or, alternatively, drop backwards through time ... only this time adjusting your reentry so that you traveled forward in time but didn't appear in the same point in SPACE. See, the galaxy ROTATES. Just travel backwards in time to the point where the Alpha quadrant has slid into place under your butt, then pop forward in time via the usual method.
Voila.
For that matter--- any combination of the above methods should have been <I>in regular use anyway.</i> Why put your crew through days of interstellar travel if you could take advantage of relativistic time dilation to make it seem like only hours or minutes passed? Or, if need be, why not take the "slow boat to china"--- make time pass FASTER inside the warp field, so that your crew arrived fully rested and/or healed and your ship fully repaired and battle ready?
Why be limited to the Alpha quadrant due to your warp drives, when you could just use timeskipping to hop to any place in 360 degrees around the galactic core in a matter of minutes?
The show was weak--- because the hack writers couldn't even concieve of the most obvious implications of what they wrote about.
1)Travel back in time the number of years it would take the ship to get home. Then, either put everyone in suspended animation.....
2)... Or adjust the warp drive so that einsteinian time dilation made time past at .01% it's normal speed inside the ship.
3)Or, alternatively, drop backwards through time ... only this time adjusting your reentry so that you traveled forward in time but didn't appear in the same point in SPACE. See, the galaxy ROTATES. Just travel backwards in time to the point where the Alpha quadrant has slid into place under your butt, then pop forward in time via the usual method.
Voila.
For that matter--- any combination of the above methods should have been <I>in regular use anyway.</i> Why put your crew through days of interstellar travel if you could take advantage of relativistic time dilation to make it seem like only hours or minutes passed? Or, if need be, why not take the "slow boat to china"--- make time pass FASTER inside the warp field, so that your crew arrived fully rested and/or healed and your ship fully repaired and battle ready?
Why be limited to the Alpha quadrant due to your warp drives, when you could just use timeskipping to hop to any place in 360 degrees around the galactic core in a matter of minutes?
The show was weak--- because the hack writers couldn't even concieve of the most obvious implications of what they wrote about.
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I had four major problems with Voyager.
1. Janeway had a really defeatist attitude.
Kim: "Captain, we've run out of coffee."
Janeway: "Set the self destruct device!"
2. If you're trying to get back home in the shortest amount of time, then don't divert to every freaking rock you come across!
Tuvok: "Captain, we've detected a lifeless comet 2000 light years out of our way."
Janeway: "Set intercept course, Warp .5."
3. Tuvok (and not because he was black). Up until Voyager, all Vulcan males had names beginning with S to honor Surak, the founder of the Vulcan's logical way of life. But not on Voyager. Nope.
4. Any sci-fi series that has to rely on a character like 2of36 ... oh, I mean 7of9, to survive should be canceled just out of principle.
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1. Janeway had a really defeatist attitude.
Kim: "Captain, we've run out of coffee."
Janeway: "Set the self destruct device!"
2. If you're trying to get back home in the shortest amount of time, then don't divert to every freaking rock you come across!
Tuvok: "Captain, we've detected a lifeless comet 2000 light years out of our way."
Janeway: "Set intercept course, Warp .5."
3. Tuvok (and not because he was black). Up until Voyager, all Vulcan males had names beginning with S to honor Surak, the founder of the Vulcan's logical way of life. But not on Voyager. Nope.
4. Any sci-fi series that has to rely on a character like 2of36 ... oh, I mean 7of9, to survive should be canceled just out of principle.
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I'm not 100% sure that's true; I seem to remember some non-"S" names prior to Voyager... Besides, maybe in the 24th century some Vulcans have evolved a secondary custom of giving Vulcan males names ending in "-ok" to honor Spock's many accomplishments.Mjolnir wrote:3. Tuvok (and not because he was black). Up until Voyager, all Vulcan males had names beginning with S to honor Surak, the founder of the Vulcan's logical way of life. But not on Voyager. Nope.
(You can retcon just about anything if you play with it enough...)You mean, "36 of DD"?4. Any sci-fi series that has to rely on a character like 2of36 ... oh, I mean 7of9, to survive should be canceled just out of principle.
Enterprise, unfortunately, is what you get when the original people in charge (Rick Berman & Brannon Braga) had not only never watched the original series, but professed to be proud of that because it would give them a "fresh perspective."RKCoon wrote:As bad as voyager was for incongruities, it paled in comparison to Enterprise, GODS did that show ever fly inthe face of TOS and the rest, that was one idea that shoulda been left on the drafting table.
The new producer, Manny Coto, has been doing his best to try to reconcile or undo B&B's screwups this season, but he started out behind the eight-ball with that stupid "Evil Alien Nazis" cliffhanger B&B dumped in his lap at the end of season 3...Enterprise, unfortunately, is what you get when the original people in charge (Rick Berman & Brannon Braga) had not only never watched the original series, but professed to be proud of that because it would give them a "fresh perspective." The new producer, Manny Coto, has been doing his best to try to reconcile or undo B&B's screwups this season, but he started out behind the eight-ball with that stupid "Evil Alien Nazis" cliffhanger B&B dumped in his lap at the end of season 3...
Sounds like what holleywood did to Clive Cussler's "Raise the Titanic!" book that was turned into a horrendous movie. blah~!
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The only other naming convention were married, female Vulcans having T' at the beginning of their names. (T'Pau, T'Pring, etc.)solarfox wrote:I'm not 100% sure that's true; I seem to remember some non-"S" names prior to Voyager... Besides, maybe in the 24th century some Vulcans have evolved a secondary custom of giving Vulcan males names ending in "-ok" to honor Spock's many accomplishments.
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Mjolnir wrote:The only other naming convention were married, female Vulcans having T' at the beginning of their names. (T'Pau, T'Pring, etc.)
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I don't think T'pol is married is/was she? I'm not sure that marriage had anything to do with it.
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Mjolnir wrote:Remember, I'm talking "Pre-Voyager" here. After that, no conventions exist anymore since Berman f**ked the whole universe up.
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Agreed...to a point. But I can only name T'Pring, T'Pau & T'Pol off the top of my head.......I CAN'T remember the name of the Vulcan (I'm pretty sure she was Vulcan and not Romulan) "fugitive" from ST Enterprise.
And if you think about it, in STTOS, all Klingon male names began with 'K'...Kang, Koloth, Koor to name 3.
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Valeris. The 1st Vulcan to graduate at the top of her class and Spock's protoge.Sharuuk wrote:I'd forgotten about Savik, thank you......BTW....you or anyone else remember the name of the Vulcan chick on ST The Undiscovered Country who was the saboteur.....Did her name begin with an 'S' also? I remember the Vulcan in the first movie killed in the transporter accident was "Commander Sonak", but that's about the extent of it.
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Thank you.....now, same flick, who was the Kilngon body builder chick that Checkov had the hots for.....her name sounded similar?Mjolnir wrote:Valeris. The 1st Vulcan to graduate at the top of her class and Spock's protoge.
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Actually, Saavik and Valeris had backstories to explain their nonstandard names:
Saavik was half-Romulan (the result of a rape, if I remember correctly) and was abandoned as a child on the failed Romulan colony planet of Hellguard. She spent several years there before she was rescued by a Vulcan team sent there to survey the planet.
Valeris' parents were living among Klingons (I can't remember if they were ambassadors, merchants, or just nuts) and gave their child a Klingon name (I cannot remember what the meaning of the name was, 'peace' or 'love' or some other hippie dippy crap).
Saavik was half-Romulan (the result of a rape, if I remember correctly) and was abandoned as a child on the failed Romulan colony planet of Hellguard. She spent several years there before she was rescued by a Vulcan team sent there to survey the planet.
Valeris' parents were living among Klingons (I can't remember if they were ambassadors, merchants, or just nuts) and gave their child a Klingon name (I cannot remember what the meaning of the name was, 'peace' or 'love' or some other hippie dippy crap).
When trouble arises and things look bad, there's always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is insane.
Y'know, I don't know which is more appalling - that I remember this crap after so long, or that I'm willing to admit that I ever knew it in the first place... 
When trouble arises and things look bad, there's always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is insane.
Mad Mike wrote:Y'know, I don't know which is more appalling - that I remember this crap after so long, or that I'm willing to admit that I ever knew it in the first place...
Oh just go with it...ya loved this sh*t din'cha???....You musta missed the musings with Monty, Squeaky, me and a couple of others about "Rocky Jones, Space Ranger", Scott McCloud Space Angel, Clyde Crashcup, Tom Terriffic etc.....and this was waaaayyy back in the 50's early 60's........now THAT'S appalling!!!!
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Squeaky, I know I can always count on you to bend an ear.
OK, I loved Star Trek as a kid (in reruns - I was only born two months before the Apollo 11 mission). It has lost some of its appeal as I have grown older (and William Shatner has lost all sense of dignity), but looking past the '60s special effects, I still enjoy it. The movies weren't so bad, either - at least the even-numbered ones, that is.
OK, I loved Star Trek as a kid (in reruns - I was only born two months before the Apollo 11 mission). It has lost some of its appeal as I have grown older (and William Shatner has lost all sense of dignity), but looking past the '60s special effects, I still enjoy it. The movies weren't so bad, either - at least the even-numbered ones, that is.
When trouble arises and things look bad, there's always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is insane.