Ah yes, progress!

[Archae45]

Tearing down a building housing a collection of movie memorabilia to put in a museum.

Like when a city rips up all the trees in an area for delopment and then names the streets Elm, Oak, Pine, etc.

[Squeaky Bunny]

Or politically correct nonsense like naming a street M.L. King years after his death. Not to honor the man, but to appease the masses.

[Labrusca]

A nearby city has Martin Luther King Boulevard and the PC people insisted it had to be spelled out, which drove the street sign people nuts. It took specially braced signs that were far more expensive than any other in the city. Finally, after enough years had passed, they were able to just call it MLK Blvd. Most of the people there don't even know what it means now.

[Archae45]

Naming a street after Jefferson, Washington, Franklin or Lincoln is no problem, but naming a street after MLK is being "politically correst?"

And naming a street just "King Ave." doesn't make any sense.
It can mean anything.

I've just read of a town that wants to change the name of a street called "Chivington Drive," named after a Civil War general.
The reason being he and his men rode into an UNarmed indian encampment, that was even flying the US flag, and butchered hundreds of old men, women and children.
Chivington himself, when asked why his men killed indian babies, said "Nits make lice."

This is not being "politically correct," it is honoring someone historically important. (Martin Luther King)

[Squirrelly61104]

Many many moons ago, my home town decided it wanted to "revive" our rapidly dying downtown business district. This was when the big shopping malls were first catching on, and a couple of them had sucked up the big stores that had been the down town staples.
The brilliant town fathers came up with three (count 'em) three wonderfull schemes.
1) a pedestrian shopping mall, right in the heart of the downtown shopping area. To put it in, they had to take out streets, and re-route traffic (permanently) throughout the down town area, with a maze of one way streets that make no sense. (rumors still exist of people, driving into the area, who never found their way out )
2) They put up a major convention center/sports arena. No additional parking was provided. Note that all existing parking downtown employed parking meters, with a maximum 1 hour run time. Yah, i wanna go to a concert/basketball game and have to get up every hour to feed the meter.
3) A very trend-duh modern art statue called 'Symbol' that was widely mocked and disliked. (years later an art professor explained to me what the statue was supposed to represent. Then it made sense. At the time of its installation, all most people saw were a bunch of ugly orange sewer pipes welded together)

[Archae45]

Many many moons ago, my home town decided it wanted to "revive" our rapidly dying downtown business district. This was when the big shopping malls were first catching on, and a couple of them had sucked up the big stores that had been the down town staples.

The brilliant town fathers came up with three (count 'em) three wonderfull schemes.
1) a pedestrian shopping mall, right in the heart of the downtown shopping area. To put it in, they had to take out streets, and re-route traffic (permanently) throughout the down town area, with a maze of one way streets that make no sense.

My town, Sheboygan did something similar, years ago.
A big pedestrian open-air mall called the "Plaza 8."

For nearly 10 blocks, the street was closed off and a brick pedestrian walkway put in.
Drivers had to go around the Plaza and find parking spots that cost an arm and a leg to park.

Problems:
1. In winter the cold and snow caused the bricks to rise in spots under the snow, so the city paid out lots of $$$ in lawsuits by people who had tripped and injured themselves on hidden "brick eruptions."
2. In said winters, who WANTS to go from store to store on foot?
3. We have an enclosed mall.

Suffice to say, the streets are now back to the way they used to be, and the "brains trust" that came up with that idiotic idea are long gone.

But the former shopping area is still trying to recover.

[Squeaky Bunny]

Naming a street after Jefferson, Washington, Franklin or Lincoln is no problem, but naming a street after MLK is being "politically correst?"

And naming a street just "King Ave." doesn't make any sense.
It can mean anything.

I've just read of a town that wants to change the name of a street called "Chivington Drive," named after a Civil War general.
The reason being he and his men rode into an UNarmed indian encampment, that was even flying the US flag, and butchered hundreds of old men, women and children.
Chivington himself, when asked why his men killed indian babies, said "Nits make lice."

This is not being "politically correct," it is honoring someone historically important. (Martin Luther King)

The situation I'm thinking of was in the early 90's, when a politician was trying to bolster his re-election chances. He wanted to gain some street creds (and votes), so he made a lot of promises to his constituents. I don't think that honoring Dr. King was his intention. But changing a street name was much easier (and cheaper) to do than provide funding for a community center.

BTW. Try getting a street named after Ronald Reagan. (or George W. Bush)

[Mad Mike]

"Oh - you want to get to the shopping center? Okay, stay on this road for three blocks, make a left onto Hitler Avenue, go two more blocks, then right for four blocks on Mussolini Drive, then left on George W. Bush Street. It'll be two blocks down on your right."

"WHAT! They named a street after George W. Bush?!?!?"

[Squeaky Bunny]

Many many moons ago, my home town decided it wanted to "revive" our rapidly dying downtown business district. This was when the big shopping malls were first catching on, and a couple of them had sucked up the big stores that had been the down town staples.

The brilliant town fathers came up with three (count 'em) three wonderfull schemes.
1) a pedestrian shopping mall, right in the heart of the downtown shopping area. To put it in, they had to take out streets, and re-route traffic (permanently) throughout the down town area, with a maze of one way streets that make no sense.

My town, Sheboygan did something similar, years ago.
A big pedestrian open-air mall called the "Plaza 8."

For nearly 10 blocks, the street was closed off and a brick pedestrian walkway put in.
Drivers had to go around the Plaza and find parking spots that cost an arm and a leg to park.

Problems:
1. In winter the cold and snow caused the bricks to rise in spots under the snow, so the city paid out lots of $$$ in lawsuits by people who had tripped and injured themselves on hidden "brick eruptions."
2. In said winters, who WANTS to go from store to store on foot?
3. We have an enclosed mall.

Suffice to say, the streets are now back to the way they used to be, and the "brains trust" that came up with that idiotic idea are long gone.

But the former shopping area is still trying to recover.

Flint, MI went through the same kind of thing a few years ago. The downtown area was dying, so someone came up with the bright idea of making an amusement park three blocks from downtown with the theme being the automobile.

There was not many attractions to draw customers,
There was no room for expansion or parking, so they could not improve the park in any way.
It was in a high crime area with little security.

Needless to say it was closed soon after it opened.

[Archae45]

Naming a street after Jefferson, Washington, Franklin or Lincoln is no problem, but naming a street after MLK is being "politically correst?"

And naming a street just "King Ave." doesn't make any sense.
It can mean anything.

I've just read of a town that wants to change the name of a street called "Chivington Drive," named after a Civil War general.
The reason being he and his men rode into an UNarmed indian encampment, that was even flying the US flag, and butchered hundreds of old men, women and children.
Chivington himself, when asked why his men killed indian babies, said "Nits make lice."

This is not being "politically correct," it is honoring someone historically important. (Martin Luther King)

The situation I'm thinking of was in the early 90's, when a politician was trying to bolster his re-election chances. He wanted to gain some street creds (and votes), so he made a lot of promises to his constituents. I don't think that honoring Dr. King was his intention. But changing a street name was much easier (and cheaper) to do than provide funding for a community center.

BTW. Try getting a street named after Ronald Reagan. (or George W. Bush)

There is the Reagan building in DC, the Reagan airport, the Reagan aircraft carrier, etc.

To me, (a Reagan supporter,) a far more fitting tribute would be naming a facility devoted to curing Alzheimers after him.

As to George W. Bush, I'd say a fitting tribute would be to name a sewer in Iraq after him.

As to the politician you mentioned, what else is new?

[Archae45]

Many many moons ago, my home town decided it wanted to "revive" our rapidly dying downtown business district. This was when the big shopping malls were first catching on, and a couple of them had sucked up the big stores that had been the down town staples.

The brilliant town fathers came up with three (count 'em) three wonderfull schemes.
1) a pedestrian shopping mall, right in the heart of the downtown shopping area. To put it in, they had to take out streets, and re-route traffic (permanently) throughout the down town area, with a maze of one way streets that make no sense.

My town, Sheboygan did something similar, years ago.
A big pedestrian open-air mall called the "Plaza 8."

For nearly 10 blocks, the street was closed off and a brick pedestrian walkway put in.
Drivers had to go around the Plaza and find parking spots that cost an arm and a leg to park.

Problems:
1. In winter the cold and snow caused the bricks to rise in spots under the snow, so the city paid out lots of $$$ in lawsuits by people who had tripped and injured themselves on hidden "brick eruptions."
2. In said winters, who WANTS to go from store to store on foot?
3. We have an enclosed mall.

Suffice to say, the streets are now back to the way they used to be, and the "brains trust" that came up with that idiotic idea are long gone.

But the former shopping area is still trying to recover.

Flint, MI went through the same kind of thing a few years ago. The downtown area was dying, so someone came up with the bright idea of making an amusement park three blocks from downtown with the theme being the automobile.

There was not many attractions to draw customers,
There was no room for expansion or parking, so they could not improve the park in any way.
It was in a high crime area with little security.

Needless to say it was closed soon after it opened.

And did Michael (Liar) Moore even bother mentioning it in that POS "documentary" he made called "Roger and Me?"

[The JAM]

[...unWARP!!!]

Good evening.


Well, at least your cities' problems had a solution. Down here, poor planning put ALL of the downtown streets as 2-lanes. That worked fine when we only had horse carriages, but today EVERY DAY there is a gridlock of some kind somwhere downtown.

It doesn't help that all the major bus stops are downtown, i.e. "home base", if you will.

At first the city wanted to put the home bases on the opposite side of the bus routes, i.e., right when the bus turned around to go back into the city, and their present stops would be a quick stop and go, like they were in the suburbs then. Neighbors complained saying that the idea would increase crime in the quiet suburbs. So they decided to close off ALL of the downtown streets to buses, so if you wanted to go downtown, you had to get off about 10 blocks from where you wanted to go. Downtown businesses suffered, and eventually everything had to go back to the way it was. There is no real solution here withouth making the city blocks smaller, but the problem there is that ALL of the downtown area is a "historical site", so no building demolitions or facade changes are allowed, no matter how old or rickety the building is (I don't know how many old buildings collapsed when Isidore sogged everything up in 2002).

To sum it up: we're stuck the way we are.

Which is why I drive a bicycle, lol.

[Squeaky Bunny]

Please, I lived in downtown Flint for eight years. I knew that assclown Moore when he was printing a fishwrap called the Flint Voice (later called the Michigan Voice because it sounded more impressive)

This happened after that "documentary" He could have done something about the corruption in the mayor's office or that the city funds were so messed up that the state had to take control of it.

The drug dealers in Flint had a computer list of all the unmarked police vehicles, their decriptions, and their licence numbers. This was found during a raid. (and mentioned on Paul Harvey's news program)

Flint still does have the best Coney hot dogs though. . .

[Archae45]

Please, I lived in downtown Flint for eight years. I knew that assclown Moore when he was printing a fishwrap called the Flint Voice (later called the Michigan Voice because it sounded more impressive)

This happened after that "documentary" He could have done something about the corruption in the mayor's office or that the city funds were so messed up that the state had to take control of it.

I read somewhere that the people of Flint are PO'd at Moore since he seems to have abandoned the town.
And a few of those in "Roger And Me" say they never saw a dime of the cash Moore made off his POS movie.

Face it, Moore is to liberals what Ann Coulter is to conservatives.
A liar, rabble-rouser and panderer to the "FTB's."
(Foaming True Believers)

How anyone can take either of those two seriously is simply beyond me.

[Squeaky Bunny]

He was never for them. He used them like he uses anyone he can to advance himself or his causes. It's been about twenty years since I left Flint and it is only now beginning to pull itself together.

[RHJunior]

Okay, to the smartass who said a sewer system in Iraq should be named after Bush:

Dillwad.

Shitty little liberals in America call Bush a liar. Shitty little liberals in France call Bush a warmonger. Shitty little liberals in Germany call Bush a "chimp."

You know what the people of IRAQ call Bush?

Avenger of the Bones.

They, unlike YOU, remember the mass graves of Iraq... and that those mass graves were what Saddam intended for the rest of Iraq and the rest of the world.


And to the clever little parrot in the back row-- "Anne Coulter is a liar, awwk, Anne Coulter is a liar, awwwk!" Have a cracker and STFU. 'Kay? We thought you were an idiot when you were out in the street waving giant puppet heads around, we still think you're an idiot now. Pulling Al Franken's talking points out of your ass doesn't improve your street cred with us in the least.

I hear shitty little liberals huffing and screeching all the time now how Anne Coulter is a "lying rabble rouser." (Surest sign that a commentator has liberals dead to rights is the increasing volume and octave of their squawking.) but funny thing is all I see in the way of "proof" is misquotes, out of context soundbites and (most of all) blind repetition of the accusation. Much like their toothbrush-mustachioed mentor, they believe that chronic repetition will eventually make a lie the truth.

What shitty little liberals can't stand about Anne Coulter is that she gives shitty little liberals the vicious tongue lashing they deserve for their lies, deceits, hypocrisies, rights-stealing conspiracies and anti-American treacheries. She hurt dere iddle FEEWINGS, waah. How DARE she speak about liberals as viciously as liberals speak about everyone else! Truth? Who cares if it's TRUE or not, she's a <I>conservative female,</i> let's GET her!
Put that bitch back in the kitchen where she belongs!

If Anne Coulter were a raving feminist liberal, her caustic attitude and invective wouldn't generate so much as a raised eyebrow. She could stand around all day accusing conservatives of wanting to starve orphans and widows and shitty little leftists like the one above would mumble and nod agreement. She could accuse our president--- who has appointed more minorities to his staff than any democrat ever thought of appointing--- of being a white-sheeted racist, and call him "Hitler" and our brave troops who have freed two nations from tyrants "jackbooted nazis," and trained leftwing monkeys would applaud her "bravery" in "speaking truth to power." She could go on record as stating, as one leftist batshit bimbo did, <I>that any sexual intercourse within the bounds of marriage was nothing but rape,</i> and leftists would hail her profound sociopolitical intellectual insight. She actually could slander and libel and perjure and make howling moonbat proclamations all day and all night, and leftists wouldn't think a thing of it, <I>because she'd be a liberal, and liberal figureheads are allowed to do that.</I> It's a right bestowed on them with their self-anointing and their gilded crown.

But because she's a conservative, because she's as caustic and ruthless and unflinching as THEY are, because she ISN'T a howling moonbat, <I>and because she states unvarnished truths about liberalism that the shitty little liberals can't refute,</i> the hue and cry and invective against Anne Coulter is absolutely unending.

[Archae45]

"Okay, to the smartass who said a sewer system in Iraq should be named after Bush:

Dillwad.

Shitty little liberals in America call Bush a liar. Shitty little liberals in France call Bush a warmonger. Shitty little liberals in Germany call Bush a "chimp."

You know what the people of IRAQ call Bush?

Avenger of the Bones.

They, unlike YOU, remember the mass graves of Iraq... and that those mass graves were what Saddam intended for the rest of Iraq and the rest of the world."

I was JOKING, Ralph.
Lighten up, for crying out loud.

But it's been a year now since ol' Saddam is captured and his brats killed.
So everything is all hunky-dory there, right?
No terra-ists operating there?

"But because she's a conservative, because she's as caustic and ruthless and unflinching as THEY are, because she ISN'T a howling moonbat, and because she states unvarnished truths about liberalism that the shitty little liberals can't refute, the hue and cry and invective against Anne Coulter is absolutely unending."

[Mad Mike]

"Can't we all just get along?"

This from the guy with a slavering hyena for an avatar!

[Nome]

This is a little random, and I really, really don't want to take sides, but I'm a little confused.

"I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."
-- Ann Coulter, Politically Incorrect, May 7, 1997

I thought the New Deal was instituted by FDR, 'long about 1933? Didn't think it was the Emancipation Proclamation... some even claim it was the start of the modern-liberal upswing in the States, since it was all for government welfare and jobs programs.

And I really lacking in the history department? *still confused*

[Archae45]

This is a little random, and I really, really don't want to take sides, but I'm a little confused.

"I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."
-- Ann Coulter, Politically Incorrect, May 7, 1997

I thought the New Deal was instituted by FDR, 'long about 1933? Didn't think it was the Emancipation Proclamation... some even claim it was the start of the modern-liberal upswing in the States, since it was all for government welfare and jobs programs.

And I really lacking in the history department? *still confused*

Of course, the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't really a law to begin with, and of course, Ann Coulter seems to want all the Constitutional laws of the 20th century repealed also, including the Civil Right Act and the Voting Rights act.

David Brock claims Ann Coulter is viciously racist and anti-Semitic, who knows, we do know Ann Coulter is racist against Arabs and Muslims.