Thinks the Jihadis aren't the enemy?

Jachra · Post by **Jachra** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:05 pm

Who the hell thinks THAT?

I've never met a single person, pro- or anti-Iraq War, who doesn't believe that. Of course, I do concede people this silly may exist...

Shyal_malkes · Post by **Shyal_malkes** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:53 pm

not to nitpick, but what about the Jihadis themselves? I doubt they consder themselves the enemy,

who are the Jihadis again? last I thought 'Jihad' was like a holy war or something someone declared against someone else.

(now watch, I've just started an 'un' holy flame war within the thread

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Calbeck · Post by **Calbeck** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:09 pm

Actually, I've met 'em at rallies. People ARE out there at protests screaming about how the US government is behind 9/11, supposedly to create the fear necessary to pass the PATRIOT Act and allow the US to seize oil in both Iraq AND Afghanistan. No, there's no oil in Afghanistan to speak of, but there is talk of a pipeline going THROUGH the country, so of course the "plot" is about seizing control of a pipeline that hasn't been built yet.

To these people, there is no jihad. It's all lies perpetuated by the White House and a pro-Bush press corps, and if you try to tell them anything different they literally swarm around and shout you down. Being collectively louder than thou amounts to a moral victory for these types.

Fusion · Post by **Fusion** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:43 pm

Makes you wonder if mass media has an effect on peoples intelagence!

The JAM · Post by **The JAM** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:40 pm

[...unWARP!!!]

Good evening.

Hey, if he wants Mexican, he should come over to my house. We'd fix him up something with REAL Jalapeños, fresh from Jalapa, Veracruz

In other news, this storyline is FINALLY over. What's next? Nip is thrown into stardom? Hollywood blacklists the entire county?

Or maybe the next storyline will be based on one of the pics of the CD...

¡Zacatepóngolas!

Until next time, remember:

I

AM

THE

J.A.M. (a.k.a. Numbuh i: "Just because I'm imaginary doesn't mean I don't exist")

Good evening.

[WARP!!!]

Wallaroo_Blacke · Post by **Wallaroo_Blacke** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:13 pm

Calbeck wrote:Actually, I've met 'em at rallies. People ARE out there at protests screaming about how the US government is behind 9/11, supposedly to create the fear necessary to pass the PATRIOT Act and allow the US to seize oil in both Iraq AND Afghanistan. No, there's no oil in Afghanistan to speak of, but there is talk of a pipeline going THROUGH the country, so of course the "plot" is about seizing control of a pipeline that hasn't been built yet.

To these people, there is no jihad. It's all lies perpetuated by the White House and a pro-Bush press corps, and if you try to tell them anything different they literally swarm around and shout you down. Being collectively louder than thou amounts to a moral victory for these types.

They can shout really loud, but they won't get any smarter, the pitiful bums.

I can't use the word that best describes those people, lest it'd insult
half of humanity by calling them that.

How's about ACLU losers?

Maxgoof · Post by **Maxgoof** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:01 pm

Just listen to the Jihad apologists.

"We have to understand their rage. They're only doing it because the U.S. is an imperialist nation."

These people HATE the US...but don't put their money where their mouth is and LEAVE!

They are walking contradictions, and should be locked away before they hurt someone besides themselves.

MikeVanPelt · Post by **MikeVanPelt** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:00 pm

maxgoof wrote:Just listen to the Jihad apologists.

"We have to understand their rage. They're only doing it because the U.S. is an imperialist nation."

These people HATE the US...but don't put their money where their mouth is and LEAVE!

I just heard someone make astonishing statements along these lines the other day.

I think you've got it -- they HATE the US. HATE it. At least, if it's not one of their people in the White House. (Does anyone recall the complete lack of The Usual Suspects protesting when one of their guys was bombing Yugoslavia into submission?)

They consider anyone -- ANY enemy of the US -- an ally (again, when the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue isn't one of their guys) and are willing and eager to ally with Joseph Stalin, Al Queda, or the very Antichrist itself against a U.S. that isn't led by their people.

It doesn't matter a bit to them that they'd be the first ones up against the wall if these "allies" of theirs won. They're too stupidly blinded by rabid hatred to care.

If a Republican had been in the White House in 1941, the current cesspit would have been falling all over themselves to say how unfair we were being to Tojo and Hitler.

The JAM · Post by **The JAM** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:00 am

And Mussolini.

Jaydub · Post by **Jaydub** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:20 pm

maxgoof wrote:Just listen to the Jihad apologists.

"We have to understand their rage. They're only doing it because the U.S. is an imperialist nation."

These people HATE the US...but don't put their money where their mouth is and LEAVE!

Yes leave and take the rest of the Hollywood Jihad apologists who keep saying they will leave with them.

Squeaky Bunny · Post by **Squeaky Bunny** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:32 pm

The JAM wrote:[...unWARP!!!]

Good evening.

Hey, if he wants Mexican, he should come over to my house. We'd fix him up something with REAL Jalapeños, fresh from Jalapa, Veracruz

¡Zacatepóngolas!

Until next time, remember:

I

AM

THE

J.A.M. (a.k.a. Numbuh i: "Just because I'm imaginary doesn't mean I don't exist")

Good evening.

[WARP!!!]

Funny thing. I was in Mexicali a few years ago looking for an authentic margarita and asked several people where a good traditional restaurant was. I was told the best Mexican food was across the border in Calexico. (U.S.)

The JAM · Post by **The JAM** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:01 pm

Wanderwolf · Post by **Wanderwolf** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:21 pm

All I'll say, as an Independent, is this:

Anti-American Republicans exist in the same ratio as Democrats who want to turn Mecca into a glass parking lot with a crater where The Rock used to be. They wouldn't draw so much attention if they weren't the exception. The same goes for suicidebomb Muslims, man-killing feminists, and black men who rape white women.

Recognizing they exist is just sense. Assuming they are the norm is dangerous... it tends to make one's emotions easily led.

Yours truly,

The wolfish,

Wanderer

T.s.a.o · Post by **T.s.a.o** » Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:37 pm

To The Jam:

One fish eyeball taco with habenieros please (if they don't melt the eyeballs that is).

Anway why Mexican? I only hear rastas chanting this. Perhaps it was just a casting problem do to local...

RHJunior · Post by **RHJunior** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:21 am

Wanderwolf wrote:All I'll say, as an Independent, is this:
(snip)

Recognizing they exist is just sense. Assuming they are the norm is dangerous... it tends to make one's emotions easily led.

Yours truly,

The wolfish,

Wanderer

So tell me, Wander, how much more will it take then?

How many more hours of footage of Muslims rioting, raping, and killing in the streets over a handful of cartoons, beheading prisoners, dancing in celebration of the murder of our people, screaming from the pulpit and the presidential palace to "kill the infidel and jew," strapping bombs to children and flinging them at busloads of people, raining mortars on innocent heads, and just generally slaughtering their way to heaven will it take to convince you that they're not "the exception to the rule?" How many more transcripts of their holy sermons, their news programs, their CHILDREN'S PROGRAMS?

How many more readings of their on holy writings to you, verbatim?

How many more major world conflicts? AS has been stated before there are thirteen major theatres of conflict concurrent in the world right now--- all but TWO of them involve muslims engaged in mass slaughter. How many more theatres of war have to burst into flame?

How many more centuries of muslims killing "infidels?"

Let's make it simple for you. HOW MANY MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE KILLED BY MUSLIMS IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD BEFORE YOU CONCEDE THAT ISLAMIC VIOLENCE IS NOT THE EXCEPTION, BUT IS INSTEAD THE RULE, IN THE ISLAMIC RELIGION AND THE ISLAMIC WORLD? C'mon, just a ballpark figure. Round numbers. Three thousand? Five thousand? Ten thousand?

Because there have been <a href="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index ... acks">over four thousand lethal Islamic attacks worldwide, just since 9-11-01. </a> Not DEATHS, ATTACKS. The death count is much, much higher. Islamics have killed 213 people this week alone. They've killed 1280 people in just the month of March, and critically injured an approximately equal number.

At this rate, they have committed the equivalent of a new 9-11 every 60 days.

Shut up about the "peaceful islamics" here in America too. Even if the rest of us stuffed our heads up our backsides and ignored the Islamic "honor killings," the multiple cases of Jews being murdered or attacked by Muslims, the sniper cases (two islamic blacks), and the miscellany of high-profile violent provocateurs in this country who bow to Mecca, THE ENTIRE AMERICAN POPULATION OF MUSLIMS REPRESENTS ONLY TWO PERCENT OF THE WORLD TOTAL. They are no more representative of the Islamic culture than YOU are... especially not in a country where they are still vastly outnumbered and outgunned.

You don't believe that bullshit because you think its true. You believe it because you think it makes you superior. That insufferable smugness is going to get thousands more innocent people KILLED, because you, and far too many like you, refuse to admit who your enemies are --- even when they declare it to your face.

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Albert the Absentminded · Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:14 am

What do you expect, RH? Pearl Harbor hasn't happened yet. Bush is getting about the same support for the war that Chamberlain might have gotten if he'd tried to wage one.

Maybe we can pull it off. If not, well, there's Screwtape's observation on what tends to happen when the last virtue, courage, is discarded and cowardice is exalted in its place.

-Albert

JakeWasHere · Post by **JakeWasHere** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:17 am

Albert the Absentminded wrote:What do you expect, RH? Pearl Harbor hasn't happened yet. Bush is getting about the same support for the war that Chamberlain might have gotten if he'd tried to wage one.

What the hell are you talking about? We DID have our Pearl Harbor: NINE FREAKING ELEVEN. And there are idiots out there who still say that it wasn't the Muslims, that BUSH planned it (anyone seen "Loose Change"?).

Let's face it, these are the same sort of people who say that FDR intentionally let the US Pacific Fleet sit at Pearl Harbor to entice the Japanese into attacking and giving him an excuse to go to war. --Yes, there are people who actually say that. Don't look at me like that.

Albert the Absentminded · Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:37 am

JakeWasHere wrote:
Albert the Absentminded wrote:What do you expect, RH? Pearl Harbor hasn't happened yet. Bush is getting about the same support for the war that Chamberlain might have gotten if he'd tried to wage one.
What the hell are you talking about? We DID have our Pearl Harbor: NINE FREAKING ELEVEN. And there are idiots out there who still say that it wasn't the Muslims, that BUSH planned it (anyone seen "Loose Change"?).

Let's face it, these are the same sort of people who say that FDR intentionally let the US Pacific Fleet sit at Pearl Harbor to entice the Japanese into attacking and giving him an excuse to go to war. --Yes, there are people who actually say that. Don't look at me like that.

I have to disagree. Pearl Harbor will be when the Islamics launch a nuke 500 miles above the US, disabling most of our computers. Or something similarly nasty. 9-11 was horrible, but a fleabite. Pearl Harbor was something even the anti-war people (yes, they were around then, too) couldn't ignore.

I hope it doesn't happen. I hope we're tough enough to win this with both hands tied behind our back. But if it needs to happen, well . . . we are their Cthulhu, and we can be woken up.

-Albert

SirBob · Post by **SirBob** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:46 pm

RHJunior wrote:So tell me, Wander, how much more will it take then?

A better question is, what do you propose to do about it? "Nuke the entire Middle East into glowing slag and let God sort them out" is a glib answer, but it's not especially practicable - even if we set aside our own Christian morals and the very founding principles of our nation to allow such an act, the sheer logistics of it would be mind-boggling, and it's questionable whether it would actually improve matters.

So what's the solution? We can't kill all of them, there aren't enough soldiers on the entire planet to permanently occupy all of their countries, and they're not going away on their own.

(And please, don't say "give them democracy!" We gave Afghanistan democracy, and they turned around and voted in a theocracy. Big improvement, eh?)

Madmoonie · Post by **Madmoonie** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:06 pm

Timmy Ramone wrote:Albert the Absentminded:
True cowardice is the U.S. attacking Iraq on false pretenses. Iraq was relatively defenseless, posed on threat to this country, and did not attack us first. How many people have died because of this ficticious war? The jihadis have nothing on the neocons.

Ummm......Saddam (that wonderful leader that he was) killed over 4000 people with chemical weapons after the Gulf War. Right after the U.S. Army was ordered to turn around, right at the border, where they cold see the Kurds getting slaughtered....Not to mention the purges before and after the war. Also not mentioning the murdering spree Saddam cronies went on to seize power in the 70's. No, Iraq did not attack us. They are just willing to attack everyone else. Isreal, Kuwait, Turkey, and we try to defend these countries or others that are defenseless we get blasted for it. You know what someone argued the other day? They said that if the Iraqi wanted freedom, the would have tried to get it......I nearly choked. They tried! THEY TRIED! I told him. Seems he never heard of them insurection attempts right after the Gulf War.
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