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About the people who are parading around the funerals of soldiers saying they're going to hell because they died fighting in this war? And that they don't care if the families are upset, because they have 'freedom of speech'?

There are no words for my disgust. *Shakes head*

DarkDragonReborn wrote:About the people who are parading around the funerals of soldiers saying they're going to hell because they died fighting in this war? And that they don't care if the families are upset, because they have 'freedom of speech'?

There are no words for my disgust. *Shakes head*

That's the "Revrend" Fred <spit> Phelps and his gang going back and forth in the Earth, and up and down in it. Some have voiced suspicion that he's really the leader of a Satanist coven trying to discredit Christianity. I don't think that's true, but he's sure promoting Uncle Screwtape's business either way.

Jesus warned against a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which would not be forgiven in this world or the next. I don't know if Phelps' antics constitute that ... quite... but I do think he'd best consider investing in an asbestos coffin.

Frankly I don't think they have freedom of speech as they are creating a volitile situation.

It's like yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater. It's not protected speech.

The guy is a crackpot who will inevitably die of old age soon where he will have his own personal parking spot in the hereafter.

Right next to Hitler, and Satan.

I don't want lunatics spitting on soldiers. Why should I want them spitting on their families?

In my book, Fred Phelps and Cindy Sheehan are two sides of the same coin - and they've both flipped.

Dude, Phelps held protests at the Sago mine in West Virginia holding signs that said "Thank god for dead miners" after the tradgey occured.

Sheehan is a saint compaired to this crazy old bastard.

The Ameriacan culture is, in general, ashamed of the treatment of Nam Vets. Why in Heaven's name would these people protest a solder's funeral , saying these things, in this day and age?

Okay, again, back to my, "Where Kerry went wrong," "Again" thoughts.

Protesting troops = Not a good way to win over the American public.

Lying about protesting troops = Worse when you get caught.

Protesting dead troops = What's wrong with these morons?


Can someone explane why they did this, with using logic, because I can't even irationaly explane it.

Here's the reasoning as to why they are doing it.

They are thinking it's devine punishment for the US's acceptance of gays, which his "church" defines as anyone that is insuffently anti-gay.

According to him God caused 9/11, the Sago mine accident, the War in iraq, hurricane katrina, all to punish and kill those that are "supportive" of the gay lifestyle (as defined above)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

Feel free to read over the Wikipedia article for more information, I cannot in good conscience bring myself to repeat anything attributed to that bastard or anything associated with him.

Namrepus221 wrote:Here's the reasoning as to why they are doing it.

They are thinking it's devine punishment for the US's acceptance of gays, which his "church" defines as anyone that is insuffently anti-gay.

According to him God caused 9/11, the Sago mine accident, the War in iraq, hurricane katrina, all to punish and kill those that are "supportive" of the gay lifestyle (as defined above)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

Feel free to read over the Wikipedia article for more information, I cannot in good conscience bring myself to repeat anything attributed to that bastard or anything associated with him.

and yet, though they seem both religious and christian they don't appear to have brushed up on their 'Book of revelations' much recently or they'd probably have realized that God was planning this to all happen a long time ago.

and every semi-literate flathead on the planet interprets any current catastrophe, major or minor, as "a sign of the end times."

They interpret the fact that things arent as warm and fuzzy as they remember when they were four years old as proof that "the world is getting steadily worse."

Their fixation with the end times even leads them to interpret any GOOD changes as a turn for the worse--- human knowledge and science and medicine and standard of living have increased dramatically, and "as we all know, the bible said that man's knowledge would increase dramatically in the end times" (where??)

What's more, they greet any setback in the pursuit of knowledge--- the Apollo 13 crisis, the Challenger explosion--- with a disgusting air of schadenfreude.


We are supposed to be the salt of the earth, not the gravemould. We are supposed to PRESERVE this world for as long as we can, to extend its life, to DELAY the coming of the end times... not simply exploit its decomposition.

That blasphemous imp Phelps is out there teaching lies, and if he's ever even opened his bible he'd know it. "God hates fags," "God hates America," indeed. <I>God wept and bled for those "fags" on Calvary.</i> He is not willing that ANY of us should perish. It is not sinners, but SIN that He hates, and his only desire is that we repent of our sin and turn to Him for redemption and salvation from our sin-state.

Homosexuals are subject to no temptations or base desires more than any other man or woman; the only difference between them and the next person is which sin they yield to. We are ALL sinners, with a sin-debt that we cannot repay and a sin nature that we cannot escape, <I>save only by accepting the redemption and salvation paid for by the Son of God on the Cross.</i> All He asks is that we admit that we are sinners, believe that He is who he said He is and that He did what he said He did, turn to Him and ask Him for salvation.

And if we have accepted this gift of salvation, do not expect that we will suddenly and automatically be pure and good and without blemish. We are still sinners--- the only difference is that we are now SAVED sinners, purchased with a great price. We are still subject to the same base desires and passions and temptations; we do not transform into uncorruptible angels upon our redemption. We're human, and if anything the Devil will strive that much harder to mire us down with corrupting sin, to make our christian lives as fruitless as possible. Someday, either at the end of life or the end of time, we will slough off our old nature like a dead skin and arise as new beings. Till then we remain subject to the same old desires and habits and addictions, with the task handed down by God that, in His name and by His grace, we should continually strive to overcome till the time comes that He takes us home.

If God hated fags, He would leave them right where they are.

Well said RH.

I can also imagine that this holds something of a personal issue with you as well, as phelps claims to be a Baptist minister (His "church" has something like 100 some members and 90 of them are his own family.)

Frankly I'm glad that my state (Pennsylvania) is introducing legislation to prevent these things like those protests from occuring.

Lord knows that if he tried anything like what he's been doing in my town, I'd be the first person to throw a punch at his old wrinkly face.

I don't care if I went to jail, if it proves that what he does instigates violence then the First amendment no longer applies to it and he can be arrested for it.

The only thing Michael Moore has EVER done for which I've admired him was helping a gay-rights group organize a counter-protest at the site of one of Landover "Baptist" Church's "God hates fags" pickets.

Not that they all had the right message, but they got away with exposing Fred Phelps for the intolerant prick he is on nationwide basic-cable TV.

Daniel 12:4. Daniel is the only book of the Bible that ends with the promise of the author's resurrection.

I haven't found out yet, what are Landover Baptists? I looked at (one of?) their forums acceptance policy and it reeked of elitism...

I'm not sure how to say this but RH, it wasn't my intent to start 'doomsaying' from the book of revelations or anything. that wasn't my point at all, I know that there are a lot of things in that book (as well as others actually) that are predicted but either haven't come to pass yet or are so vague that they may have happened but we really can't tell (or at least I can't)

but again, my comment wasn't to start preaching, or anything.

I'll try to turn the other cheek for even a fool who feels the need to vent whatever religious or political verbal vomit he's been cultivating in his craw... But to disrespect the dead. To heap abuse on grieving widows and ophans as they lay their beloved ones to rest... There is a limit.

There is a group now, who peacefully stand, holding large US flags, in a cordon around the funeral. The protesters are not prevented from protesting, but they are kept far enough away that they cannot be clearly heard, and the flags block the mourners from having to see them as well. God bless those flag-bearers.
I can only admire the patience they show. I'm afraid my solution would have involved ax-handles and baseball bats.

Actually, there is legislation in the works to prevent those protestors now. In PA, it's already been passed, if I'm not mistaken. I'd like to see some of these people in jail for that...

On a side note, the anti-war protestors have even found my dev-Journal and called me a murderer. Ain't it grand?

UncleMonty wrote:I'll try to turn the other cheek for even a fool who feels the need to vent whatever religious or political verbal vomit he's been cultivating in his craw... But to disrespect the dead. To heap abuse on grieving widows and ophans as they lay their beloved ones to rest... There is a limit.

There is a group now, who peacefully stand, holding large US flags, in a cordon around the funeral. The protesters are not prevented from protesting, but they are kept far enough away that they cannot be clearly heard, and the flags block the mourners from having to see them as well. God bless those flag-bearers.
I can only admire the patience they show. I'm afraid my solution would have involved ax-handles and baseball bats.

What about giving the honor guard live ammo and have them redirect their fire?

On a more serious note.



Wake for an Indian warrior

The attrocaties done in God's name are long and numerous.

Let's face facts. None of us can really say what's on God's mind.

We were left with some good ideas, that got interpited into a coupple books, which some people take way to literaly.

People, take the good advice and roll with it. Don't see and say what you want it to. Because interpitation is up to preception. And again, with so many views in this world, one thing can be seen as many.

On this matter I have one thing for this Phelips:

Let he who is without sin throw the first stone

If he tosses anyway climing the right, then he has no idea what God's word is really about.

JakeWasHere wrote:The only thing Michael Moore has EVER done for which I've admired him was helping a gay-rights group organize a counter-protest at the site of one of Landover "Baptist" Church's "God hates fags" pickets.

Not that they all had the right message, but they got away with exposing Fred Phelps for the intolerant prick he is on nationwide basic-cable TV.

Wait, are they Landover or do they call themselves something else?

I know the landoverbaptist.org website is in fact a parody of Phelps's style of poisonous thinking.

The real tragedy of Fred Phelps and his ilk is that they make an easy target for all those who wish to reject Christ, Christianity, and all religion in general. "If religion can do THAT to a person, I'd much rather be an atheist."

Which isn't to say that any argument for atheism is a good one. It's a short step from atheism, which I can understand, to nihilism, which is a philosophy that makes - shall we say - far less sense. And nihilism has ruined a lot more lives than Christianity.