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If a person deserves respect, he should be granted respect. If a person does not deserve respect, he shouldn't get respect--REGARDLESS of whether or not you agree with his ideals.
That depends entirely if you think someone's intelligence is more important than their morality, or in this case their lack thereof. I think a person could be freakin' Einstein, but if they don't give two farts and a rat's backside about right and wrong, then they're depraved scum. And depraved scum don't deserve respect no matter how big a genius he or she is.
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Mike Fang wrote:
That depends entirely if you think someone's intelligence is more important than their morality, or in this case their lack thereof. I think a person could be freakin' Einstein, but if they don't give two farts and a rat's backside about right and wrong, then they're depraved scum. And depraved scum don't deserve respect no matter how big a genius he or she is.
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I don't entirely agree with what you have to say there, Mike, I guess it all depends upon how one defines respect.

One of the factors leading to the conflict between the US and Japan prior to WWII was a lack of respect both sides had for one another.

Japan wanted payback for commodore Perry's forced opening of Japan's borders. (Nice swords, but I bet that naval cannon and rifle fire beat Katanas and arrows any day of the week) Japan's impression of America was partially formed by imported radio plays , cheap novels, and cinema which featured "The wild West", and gangland Chicago. The impression was made that America was two steps away from anarchy, therefore one solid military blow would send the entire house of cards tumbling.

The filthy, white barbarians had no culture and organization, show them strength and the cowards will fall, like Russians did in the Russo - Japanese war.

Their lack of respect caused them to gravely underestimate us. Yamato knew the truth, he was educated in America (Harvard, I think, but don't quote me) He knew the true strength of America and respected that. He did not want war with the "sleeping giant" and tried to dissuade his superiors, but to no avail. In the end Japan paid dearly for its mistake.

Meanwhile on the other side of the Pacific things weren't much better. "What, the little monkey-men gonna play with their windup battleships and attack us in our strength?"

I don't think anyone thought the Japanese had the technical know-how to pull off what they did and it was a little arrogance upon our part that just because we were Americans and therefore, the best in the world that nobody (at least from any continent outside of Europe) could successfully attack us and do any real damage.

The Japanese were resilient, intelligent, and downright ingenious when it came to improving technologies. We did not recognize or respect these traits and it cost us dearly at the beginning of the war.

What I'm trying to say, perhaps in a rather obtuse fashion, is that one should be aware of one's adversary's strengths and respect them. Don't fear them, but be aware of them, so that way you don't underestimate them.

Does that make sense?
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Yes, I suppose it does. But two points.

1. It would've been possible for the Americans and the Japanese to respect each other's societies because neither side honestly hated the other for their differences. They just both had the misconception that they weren't equal. There was nothing that either side did as a body of people that was grossly against the moral teachings of the other.

2. The kind of respect I'm talking about isn't simply recognizing strength, but showing praise and honor for the abilities and skills someone or some group has developed. I recognize that the Al-Queda is a group that's very good at deception, sneaking through security, and creating fear and terror with a minimum of effort, but I don't respect them for it. I wouldn't give them any sort of badge of honor for 9/11, for crashing a plane into The Pentagon, or any of the untold and countless acts of mass murder they've committed in other countries.

I recognize their ability to strike with little warning and strike fear into a civilian population. But I don't respect them for it. Becuase respect has to do with honor, and they deserve none.
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