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Labrusca · Post by **Labrusca** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:25 pm

Please note that RHJr. provides both the forums and the Live Journal, AND his e-mail address where you can make your comments. Both the first two contain tons of examples of people who have said essentially the same thing you have. He isn't obligated to provide any place for people to comment, but does anyway. Considering the kind of manure the monkeys fling at him, I'd say he restrains himself pretty well. Try getting abusive comments from people who, for all intents and purposes are GUESTS, day in and day out, and see if YOU would be any less testy. If you had someone come to your home and start criticizing YOU, I'd wager they would see the outside of your front door in a hurry.

Oh yes, go to Doonsbury and try to find ANY place to make comments, contact Turdeau, or give ANY feedback. Zero. Zip. Zilch. NADA.

Conservative - 1, Leftist - 0.

So in SPITE of all the manure the monkeys fling at him, RH lets them have their say. Then he sticks to his values. I have more respect for someone who holds to their beliefs than I would a weather vane who has to take a poll to see how others want him to behave. (Like John Kerry).

Msd22000 · Post by **Msd22000** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:25 pm

StrangeWulf13 wrote:I don't think Ralph's "in danger" of losing his story-telling ability to his political opinions, or his aggressive and abrasive manner of applying them.

Rather, I think he's more "in danger" of losing readership. The liberals don't like being made fun of? Well heck, don't make it so gosh darned easy!

So in other words just stand there and take whatever crap you decide is appropriate? So if I call you a meally mouthed narrow minded jackbooted conservative thug I can expect you to just sit there and take it? Why do you think that people you disagree with should be your doormat? Since when did being even moderately civil to people become a sin? Be careful, your double standard is showing.

StrangeWulf13 wrote:Ralph doesn't give a rat's behind what you think of him, or his story-telling ability, and neither do I. He draws and writes as he wills.

And Ralph and you are prefectly free to sit in an empty room and listen to the sound of your own voices. You seem to be completely missing the point. If he doesn't care what anyone else thinks of his stuff, why the heck does he have a forum???? If you don't care what we think why did you even bother with your previous post? Please show me where in our previous posts we were telling Ralph he HAD to do anything? We were expressing a concern that he is driving away his readers. Now if that is something that he is TRYING to do fine he is perfectly welcome to.

StrangeWulf13 wrote:If you don't like it, there are hundreds of other webcomics and websites you can go to that provide stuff you will like.

You're not "concerned" about Ralph at all. You just want to shut him up so he won't make anti-liberal comics anymore.

Don't hold your breath. You'll go into a coma.

This is not about Ralph not making anti-liberal comments. Its about a concern that he is driving away the people that have supported him in the past. I am in no way trying to "shut him up". I am simply trying to point out that his, as he has expressed it, black and white view of the world fits about as well as a size 2 dress on a hippo. And to point out that he seems to be in danger of losing the very things that made Nip and Tuck a fun comic to read in a rising tide of politically accrimonious strips. There is a difference between making a point and simply being mean spirited.

Aurrin · Post by **Aurrin** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:52 pm

labrusca wrote:Please note that RHJr. provides both the forums and the Live Journal, AND his e-mail address where you can make your comments. Both the first two contain tons of examples of people who have said essentially the same thing you have.

Yes, and then he yells, rants, and raves, and calls in the conservative majority on the forum to do the same. He does it more for the pleasure of having someone to scream at than to get real opinions and feedback.

labrusca wrote:Considering the kind of manure the monkeys fling at him, I'd say he restrains himself pretty well.

Two possibilities:

1) You haven't seen him in full yell.

2) You're purposely ignoring what he says back.

Ralph is the most obscene poster on the entire forum, often striking pre-emptively at anyone who has the misfortune to get in his way. I can get quotes, if you like.

labrusca wrote:Try getting abusive comments from people who, for all intents and purposes are GUESTS, day in and day out, and see if YOU would be any less testy.

Try being invited as a guest and then hit with a two-by-four upside the head by your 'host' if you happen to say something that might constitute the beginnings of a differing opinion.

labrusca wrote: Conservative - 1, Leftist - 0.

People who aren't limited to two-tone linear perception: 100

labrusca wrote:So in SPITE of all the manure the monkeys fling at him, RH lets them have their say.

Lets them have their say? He doesn't let anyone have any say whatsoever. If you post an opinion that differs, even obliquely and not realizing that it conflicts with his, he screams at you like he's about to have a heart attack and assumes you're some crazy extremist.

labrusca wrote:Then he sticks to his values.

Nobody's questioning that. They're questioning his treatment of others.

labrusca wrote:I have more respect for someone who holds to their beliefs than I would a weather vane who has to take a poll to see how others want him to behave. (Like John Kerry).

Yes, because as we all know, what the people want you to do as an elected official is irrelevant. How could he be so stupid as to try to find out what they want? </sarcasm>

Labrusca · Post by **Labrusca** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:26 pm

Aurrin, m'boy, I've seen your sort of arguments so often it isn't worth my time to reply to them. When you get out on your own and earn your own living, you're going to have a real clash with your current worldview.

Aurrin · Post by **Aurrin** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:42 pm

labrusca wrote:Aurrin, m'boy, I've seen your sort of arguments so often it isn't worth my time to reply to them. When you get out on your own and earn your own living, you're going to have a real clash with your current worldview.

I already am out in the world, thank you. You may drop the condescending "m'boy". I am not some angsty teen, nor is your opinion the sole logical conclusion of real experience, as you imply.

Narnian · Post by **Narnian** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:36 pm

Isn't it nice to see everybody getting to speak their mind here regardless of their politics?

Aurrin · Post by **Aurrin** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:18 pm

Narnian wrote:Isn't it nice to see everybody getting to speak their mind here regardless of their politics?

You're a fine one to talk, Narnian. You've been just as quick as the others to jump in whenver there's a mauling.

Sharuuk · Post by **Sharuuk** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:22 pm

Narnian wrote:Isn't it nice to see everybody getting to speak their mind here regardless of their politics?

Bingo there, Narnian.....right on the button......and you'll all notice that pretty much regardless of the abuse directed at RH for either his opinions or delivery.....everybody's still here! MOF in the entire time I've been on these forums I've only seen ONE person get booted....and even that was after repeated warnings.

But look at the discussion we have going on here right now. Any o' y'alls ever think that RH just might be a-stirrin' the puddin' to see what reactions he gets?

I'm not a ditto-head nor a mind-numbed robot, but I DO have very vivid memories of how I've been treated and how conservatives in general have been portrayed for decades in the press and entertainment media with virtual impunity. Whether it's "immature" or not.....I DO enjoy "dishing out" just a bit of what I and most other conservatives have been forced to take for so long with no other recourse than to suffer in silence. And I'll also have to admit my guilt at absolutely reveling in just how long and loudly the liberals screech whenever they get ever so slightly pricked by the same needles they've been impaling conservatives on for the past 40+ years.

The shoe is on the other foot so to speak.......and it's tight as a bitch......because conservatives are no longer suffering in silence.

Yes, RH has all the tact and diplomacy of a rabid wolverine and the subtley of a thermonuke in an outhouse......but I think the ones who are the most upset with his postings are taking them PERSONALLY......some of you are seeing all of his statements as personal attack on yourselves.....and some of them are.....but not all.

But once again...look at the discussion we have going on here......and no one's been banned, booted or "officially" bitched out.

I'd say that shows considerable restraint and tolerance on RH's part given that this is HIS FORUM AND LJ........wouldn't you?

Shaaruuk

Aurrin · Post by **Aurrin** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:36 pm

Sharuuk wrote:Bingo there, Narnian.....right on the button......and you'll all notice that pretty much regardless of the abuse directed at RH for either his opinions or delivery.....everybody's still here! MOF in the entire time I've been on these forums I've only seen ONE person get booted....and even that was after repeated warnings.

But look at the discussion we have going on here right now. Any o' y'alls ever think that RH just might be a-stirrin' the puddin' to see what reactions he gets?

That's sick.

Sharuuk wrote:I'm not a ditto-head nor a mind-numbed robot, but I DO have very vivid memories of how I've been treated and how conservatives in general have been portrayed for decades in the press and entertainment media with virtual impunity. Whether it's "immature" or not.....I DO enjoy "dishing out" just a bit of what I and most other conservatives have been forced to take for so long with no other recourse than to suffer in silence. And I'll also have to admit my guilt at absolutely reveling in just how long and loudly the liberals screech whenever they get ever so slightly pricked by the same needles they've been impaling conservatives on for the past 40+ years.

What about me? Have I been prodding you with needles for the past 40 years? Then what makes you think that you can take it out on me?

You're even worse than they are, because you admit to yourself what you're doing and you do it anyway to people that aren't even in leauge with the ones you claim did it to you.

Sharuuk wrote:Yes, RH has all the tact and diplomacy of a rabid wolverine and the subtley of a thermonuke in an outhouse......but I think the ones who are the most upset with his postings are taking them PERSONALLY......some of you are seeing all of his statements as personal attack on yourselves.....and some of them are.....but not all.

No. Prettymuch every one that followed what I said was a direct attack on me. He's even said as much: he considers me to be an extreme liberal no matter what I say or do.

Sharuuk wrote:But once again...look at the discussion we have going on here......and no one's been banned, booted or "officially" bitched out.

....

I have.

Sharuuk wrote:I'd say that shows considerable restraint and tolerance on RH's part given that this is HIS FORUM AND LJ........wouldn't you?

No. He just enjoys having someone to yell at.

BlasTech · Post by **BlasTech** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:45 pm

Aww, dont feel bad aurrin

we're all friends here. (Loud, name-calling fiends but friends anyway

Now cheer up or ill tell astral that you have chocolate ice cream!

Aurrin · Post by **Aurrin** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:57 pm

BlasTech wrote:Aww, dont feel bad aurrin we're all friends here. (Loud, name-calling fiends but friends anyway

No, no I'm afraid we're not.

Friends don't beat friends down like that. Friends don't make insults like that. Friends don't disrespect each other like that. I don't dread seeing my friends' names beside a post.

I've very few friends here.

Shyal_malkes · Post by **Shyal_malkes** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:10 am

again, i am sorry aurrin.

BlasTech · Post by **BlasTech** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:15 am

even though that wasnt directed at me (or at least i hope to goodness it wasnt). it still depresses me to hear you like this.

BlasTech · Post by **BlasTech** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:31 am

*Sighs*

I think im just going to walk away from that discussion (the "oh Yes one"). Its seriously just annoying the heck out of the community here, and wrecking all the camaraderie that we're building thru the RP's on the questor forums.

Counter-point my arguments if you want, i'll read and consider them, but i wont repost in that topic. I hope you can all show the good sense not to either, enough is really enough.

See you on the next page.

EDIT

Actually, one more post ... i just cant resist.

Ransom Returns · Post by **Ransom Returns** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:21 am

Wow

This wasn't exactly the direction I of conversation I was thinking when I posted this topic. Of course, I'm not sure what it was that I thought I was indicating, beyond the fact that I just then realized it was a woman DJ speaking.

Shyal_malkes · Post by **Shyal_malkes** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:12 am

yalls can take whatever i post and rag on it as much as you want. you all have ragged on each other enough as it is.

i agree with BlasTech. enough is enough.

Luna_Northcat · Post by **Luna_Northcat** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:40 am

I might have to agree, here, as reluctant as I ever am to leave a juicy topic. But I like a lot of people here, and I respect BlasTech and Aurrin, and this is getting way out of hand.

The JAM · Post by **The JAM** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:40 am

[...unWARP!!!]

Good evening.

I, for one, am relieved that all of you guys are coming to realise this stuff and agreeing to calm down, for a while anyways. This is a very interesting forum, despite the flames, and all of you are very interesting people. Maybe we're not all close friends, but I'm glad that I know you all.

Msd22000 · Post by **Msd22000** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:48 am

Most of you probably do not recognize me. I used to be a moderately common poster on this and other RH forums about 2 years ago. I droped out for a little while for several reasons. The first was that at that time, in my opinion, the LJ and forums were degenerating into people doing nothing much more than name calling, and metaphorically stomping their feet going "I'm right. I'm right. I'm right......". The second was that I needed to take a step back from the daily barage and think about some things. Finally, about the time I was ready to jump back in my wife got pregnant with our first child. Shortly after that things like free time disapeared from my life for a while. I have recently been lurking for a little while trying to determine where to jump back in.

So please indulge me while I say a few things. First I would like to apologize if my first post in this thread came on a little too strong. Ralph happened to accidentally hit a very sore subject with me, i.e. the association of politics with whether someone is worth knowing or loving. Secondly, I will promise to do my best to avoid personal attacks, and if I do make one please point it out to me. So for what it is worth, which is probably not that much, I am back.

Narnian · Post by **Narnian** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:31 pm

Aurrin wrote:
Narnian wrote:Isn't it nice to see everybody getting to speak their mind here regardless of their politics?
You're a fine one to talk, Narnian. You've been just as quick as the others to jump in whenver there's a mauling.

And who has stopped you from posting? You missed the point.

As I read the postings some have gone overboard (myself included) but that includes you as well. You have made statements and accusations every bit as outlandish as some thrown at you.

I believe both sides are passionate because they believe strongly - both want to do what is right - but we strongly disagree on what is right. Attributing evil motives or ill intent to every opinion gets nobody anywhere.

Abortion is a good example - calling someone baby killers or accusing someone of wanting to control someone elses body misses the point on both sides. The real issue is what is a human being. If I believed a fetus is not a human being I would have no trouble with abortion. And my pro-abortion friends agree if they believed the fetus was human then they would oppose abortion. Every position needs to be boiled down to the essentials as the surface rhetoric often obscures the real disagreements.