Aircraft in Shadowfall

Postby Genjiro on Thu Mar 01, 2001 1:22 am

Okay, fine. So it's my fault. Everything is my fault. I'm an idiot, okay? I <i>know.</i> I mean, it's not like someone isn't constantly <i>reminding</i> me I'm an idiot.<P>***sulks***<P><img src="http://www.kyokipress.com/images/icons/sad.gif"><P>Genjiro<P>
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Postby Cannonshop on Thu Mar 01, 2001 9:20 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Genjiro:
<B>Okay, fine. So it's my fault. Everything is my fault. I'm an idiot, okay? I <I>know.</I> I mean, it's not like someone isn't constantly <I>reminding</I> me I'm an idiot.<P>***sulks***<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.kyokipress.com/images/icons/sad.gif"> <P>Genjiro<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bloody Hell! Quit Sulking (it's unprofessional), it's obvious your Training was incomplete. Besides, it was a first mission, I just meant that you should endeavor to be more careful (obviously, quite a few people are depending on you), and keep your head down. As for the "I didn't know I needed one" statement: Your control Officer should have realized you were too green at that time. Lucky she likes you, she could have finished you off, and left the body behind (Espionage is Cold-Blooded game), lessening her own exposure by giving the authorities a nice, dead, foreign agant to pin the blane on...
She must like you a LOT.
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Postby Cannonshop on Thu Mar 01, 2001 9:37 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kaichi:<P>
I don't shoot, now. My dad used to be big on hunting, and always had a variety of rifles, shotguns and pistols in our house. When I was around 15 or so, he used to take me out with him to shoot cans and stuff, and I really enjoyed that. I was really small, then (like about 100 pounds!!), so I couldn't handle anything more than a 22. No accuracy, at all, with pistols, but about 98% with the 22 rifle. I'd like to shoot, again, sometime. It was fun! Maybe now that I'm an adult I could handle a pistol...<P>(~-^)<P>Kaichi<P>[This message has been edited by Kaichi (edited 02-26-2001).][/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well... Probably. Being as you are in the People's Republic of California, I expect you won't get much opportunity down there to find out (California is BIG on Gun control...), on another subject entirely: maybe you should check out the EAA fly-in happening up here in August, (Arlington Airport is 15 min. from here by Freeway)It's a pretty major event, and there's always some very strange looking craft lined up. Kind of a "General Aviation" Airshow, (might serve as an excuse to get current in your ratings...). As for the Rotorcraft notes: Helicopters have a speed limit, it's imposed by engineering. goes something like this: a chopper moving faster than about 250mph loses lift on one side. Flip, Crash, boom. Why? because the craft is moving faster than the leading edge of the Rotor is on the backstroke, which stalls the airflow over the rotor's airfoil surface, thus, eliminating lift... Hence, the Marines went to the V-22 Crashmaster(oops, Osprey...). same effect's not as bad with birds like the CH-47 and CH-46 series, but, it's still present. It's about equivalent to losing a whole wing on a Fixed-wing bird. Speaking of Fixed wings: the Drag Coefficient on that shuttle's gotta be a bitch on re-entry... do the wings swing in, ala F-111? if so, how do the Hinge-points fair against superheated wind? Do they use a "Shaped" forcefield instead, (ala Star Trek), with the wings for use only in low-speed manuevering?
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Postby Jpeane on Fri Mar 02, 2001 10:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cannonshop:
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Bloody Hell! Quit Sulking (it's unprofessional), it's obvious your Training was incomplete. Besides, it was a first mission, I just meant that you should endeavor to be more careful (obviously, quite a few people are depending on you), and keep your head down. As for the "I didn't know I needed one" statement: Your control Officer should have realized you were too green at that time. Lucky she likes you, she could have finished you off, and left the body behind (Espionage is Cold-Blooded game), lessening her own exposure by giving the authorities a nice, dead, foreign agant to pin the blane on...
She must like you a LOT.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You know she DID tell him to stay put, and he didn't do it. Perhaps she shoudl have shot him for insubordination or left him for the helicopter to finish off. Unless she's like the ladies in this forum and thinks he's "cute". She doesn't strike me as that sort of woman tho. She must be attached to him in some way as she's been rather emotional toward him. Think it's more than worry about her "never lost one" rep. The agent she shot in iss 1 said she was a "mother hen". Maybe she's really into that role and considers Genjiro one of her "chicks"? I agree he needs to stop that sulking, but then he's rather young and certainly naive. It may be a vain request to stop him sulking.<P>Jim<p>[This message has been edited by jpeane (edited 03-02-2001).]
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 866 on Sat Mar 03, 2001 4:22 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Genjiro:
<B>Okay, fine. So it's my fault. Everything is my fault. I'm an idiot, okay? I <I>know.</I> I mean, it's not like someone isn't constantly <I>reminding</I> me I'm an idiot.<P>***sulks***<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.kyokipress.com/images/icons/sad.gif"> <P>Genjiro
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Whine, whine, whine. ***insert sappy violin music, here***<P>(~-^)<P>Kaichi
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 866 on Sat Mar 03, 2001 5:39 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cannonshop:
<B> Well... Probably. Being as you are in the People's Republic of California, I expect you won't get much opportunity down there to find out (California is BIG on Gun control...),</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I might. I have nothing against registering my personal weapon. There's a shooting range and club about 7 miles from where I live, too. I'd <i>love</i> to go over there, sometime. I just don't have the time or the spare cash, at the moment.<P>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>on another subject entirely: maybe you should check out the EAA fly-in happening up here in August, (Arlington Airport is 15 min. from here by Freeway)It's a pretty major event, and there's always some very strange looking craft lined up. Kind of a "General Aviation" Airshow, (might serve as an excuse to get current in your ratings...). </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sigh...I haven't been to an airshow/gathering in a long time. Maybe by August, it will be feasible for me. I'd love to go, though.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>As for the Rotorcraft notes: Helicopters have a speed limit, it's imposed by engineering. goes something like this: a chopper moving faster than about 250mph loses lift on one side. Flip, Crash, boom. Why? because the craft is moving faster than the leading edge of the Rotor is on the backstroke, which stalls the airflow over the rotor's airfoil surface, thus, eliminating lift... Hence, the Marines went to the V-22 Crashmaster(oops, Osprey...). same effect's not as bad with birds like the CH-47 and CH-46 series, but, it's still present. It's about equivalent to losing a whole wing on a Fixed-wing bird. Speaking of Fixed wings: the Drag Coefficient on that shuttle's gotta be a bitch on re-entry... do the wings swing in, ala F-111? if so, how do the Hinge-points fair against superheated wind? Do they use a "Shaped" forcefield instead, (ala Star Trek), with the wings for use only in low-speed manuevering?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Before I get into the explanation of how the Dart handles atmospheric entry, I need to admit that my drawings have strayed a bit from my original design. Have you noticed how the wings keep getting longer and more narrow, each time I've drawn the Dart?!? I don't know why that happens. Maybe I've got some kind of genetic predisposition toward drawing wafer wings. But the original design had stubbier wings, with the delta taper much more pronounced than it ended up on the Bristol paper. I have no clue why I strayed from that. Maybe it's just that I draw as fast as possible, in an effort to meet my self-imposed deadlines. I've caught myself in little continuity problems because of that, before.<P>Anyway, on to the fun stuff. This is how I had it worked out, in my head: The Dart doesn't enter the atmosphere nose-first. Before it begins its true descent, the vertical stabilizer collapses and retracts into the body of the plane, and its little hatch seals like the side doors. The onboard computer takes over flight control and rolls the craft inverted, with the nose elevated by around 40 degrees. Since the wings are tapered downward, the inverted position presents a relatively smooth, curved surface to better deflect the heat and help to slow the rate of descent. <P>The Dart is steered with the jets (both the rear and the underside nozzles) during the entry stage. As it descends into the atmosphere, the computer executes a number of steep banks (80-85 degrees), until the speed drops below Mach 1. At that point, they're probably at an altitude of around 50-60,000 ft. The computer rolls the craft back to regular flight position; the tailfin re-emerges, and the pilot resumes manual control.<P>The Stingray, however, has swing wings, and uses a heat shield on the hinge points. It enters the atmosphere under power, and uses reverse thrust to help control rate of descent.<P>Thanks for the 'copter info, Dan san. I'll have to get around to spending some more time learning about them. I tend to forget about them, until I see one that impresses me (as they all do, if I see them in real life).<P>(^-^)<P>Kaichi
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Postby Genjiro on Sat Mar 03, 2001 7:10 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cannonshop:
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Bloody Hell! Quit Sulking (it's unprofessional), it's obvious your Training was incomplete. Besides, it was a first mission, I just meant that you should endeavor to be more careful (obviously, quite a few people are depending on you), and keep your head down. As for the "I didn't know I needed one" statement: Your control Officer should have realized you were too green at that time. Lucky she likes you, she could have finished you off, and left the body behind (Espionage is Cold-Blooded game), lessening her own exposure by giving the authorities a nice, dead, foreign agant to pin the blane on...
She must like you a LOT.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Okay...I'm sorry I sulked. I'm just kind of upset, I guess.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.kyokipress.com/images/icons/sad.gif"> <P>Hey...what's the matter with this dumb forum thing, anyway?? It keeps putting stuff in that I don't want in, like my other post <i>and</i> yours. Weird.<P>Genjiro
<p>[This message has been edited by Genjiro (edited 03-03-2001).]
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Postby Genjiro on Sat Mar 03, 2001 7:16 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kaichi:
<B> Whine, whine, whine. ***insert sappy violin music, here***<P>(~-^)<P>Kaichi</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh shut up and leave me alone!!!<P><img src="http://www.kyokipress.com/images/icons/angry.gif"><P>Genjiro
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Postby Genjiro on Sat Mar 03, 2001 7:24 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jpeane:
<B> You know she DID tell him to stay put, and he didn't do it. Perhaps she shoudl have shot him for insubordination or left him for the helicopter to finish off. Unless she's like the ladies in this forum and thinks he's "cute". She doesn't strike me as that sort of woman tho. She must be attached to him in some way as she's been rather emotional toward him. Think it's more than worry about her "never lost one" rep. The agent she shot in iss 1 said she was a "mother hen". Maybe she's really into that role and considers Genjiro one of her "chicks"? I agree he needs to stop that sulking, but then he's rather young and certainly naive. It may be a vain request to stop him sulking.<P>Jim<P>[This message has been edited by jpeane (edited 03-02-2001).]</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Hey!!! I'm <i>trying</i> not to sulk!! I really am!! I can't help it if I'm depressed. I mean, my life <i>really</i> sucks, right now...<P><img src="http://www.kyokipress.com/images/icons/sad.gif"><P>Genjiro
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Postby Cannonshop on Sun Mar 04, 2001 2:20 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kaichi:
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Before I get into the explanation of how the Dart handles atmospheric entry, I need to admit that my drawings have strayed a bit from my original design. Have you noticed how the wings keep getting longer and more narrow, each time I've drawn the Dart?!? ...But the original design had stubbier wings, with the delta taper much more pronounced than it ended up on the Bristol paper...
Anyway, on to the fun stuff. This is how I had it worked out, in my head: The Dart doesn't enter the atmosphere nose-first...
(^-^)<P>Kaichi</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That works, I've played with similar ideas myself. On the subject of Stingrays: Max had better hope his Crewchief didn't hear that crack about "His" fighter (page 24), Everyone knows who REALLY owns the birds, who cares for them when they're broken, and weeps bitter tears at every strained rivet, stressed weld, and Pilot-Inflicted injury to their pride and joy... It isn't, after all, the PILOTS who sweat every mission, it's the guys who have to fix what those negligent, strutting, @$$#0!&$ do to THEIR Aircraft through carelessness (Getting shot up by the enemy is ALWAYS careless to the Crewchiefs...), inexperience (Maintenance crew always assume the pilot flying THEIR bird is incompetent...). No doubt the Crewchief for that Dart is going to be in a bad way for the next half-a-year. Being as he(or she) is probably Enlisted personnel, it's unlikely that Max will even know...
But he might want to keep his coffee cup in a safe place, just in case.
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Postby Cannonshop on Sun Mar 04, 2001 2:23 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Genjiro:
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Hey!!! I'm <I>trying</I> not to sulk!! I really am!! I can't help it if I'm depressed. I mean, my life <I>really</I> sucks, right now...<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.kyokipress.com/images/icons/sad.gif"> <P>Genjiro</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Gen-chan, just lie back, and think of all the good looking chicks you can impress with your battlescars (and the lies you can tell in Bars, heheh), and let the Docs do their work.
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 866 on Sun Mar 04, 2001 5:12 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cannonshop:
<B> That works, I've played with similar ideas myself. On the subject of Stingrays: Max had better hope his Crewchief didn't hear that crack about "His" fighter (page 24), Everyone knows who REALLY owns the birds, who cares for them when they're broken, and weeps bitter tears at every strained rivet, stressed weld, and Pilot-Inflicted injury to their pride and joy... It isn't, after all, the PILOTS who sweat every mission, it's the guys who have to fix what those negligent, strutting, @$$#0!&$ do to THEIR Aircraft through carelessness (Getting shot up by the enemy is ALWAYS careless to the Crewchiefs...), inexperience (Maintenance crew always assume the pilot flying THEIR bird is incompetent...). No doubt the Crewchief for that Dart is going to be in a bad way for the next half-a-year. Being as he(or she) is probably Enlisted personnel, it's unlikely that Max will even know...
But he might want to keep his coffee cup in a safe place, just in case.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Heh...!! you've been reading my scripts beforehand, haven't you?!? I just added Max's info to the character page, the other day, and it just so happens the only two things he's afraid of are spiders and mechanics.<P>(~-^)<P>Kaichi
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Postby Genjiro on Mon Mar 05, 2001 3:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cannonshop:
<B> Gen-chan, just lie back, and think of all the good looking chicks you can impress with your battlescars (and the lies you can tell in Bars, heheh), and let the Docs do their work.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Girls will be impressed by this?!? I never thought of that... hmmmmmm.....<P><img src="http://www.kyokipress.com/images/icons/smile.gif"><P>Genjiro
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Postby Cannonshop on Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:56 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kaichi:
<B> Heh...!! you've been reading my scripts beforehand, haven't you?!? I just added Max's info to the character page, the other day, and it just so happens the only two things he's afraid of are spiders and mechanics.<P>(~-^)<P>Kaichi</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Max had better watch his butt, that Crewchief looks to be one tough cookie...(snicker.)
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Postby KimiG on Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Genjiro:
<B> Girls will be impressed by this?!? I never thought of that... hmmmmmm.....<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.kyokipress.com/images/icons/smile.gif"> <P>Genjiro</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>well I'M impressed sweet thang but mostly that you lived through it. he DOES live through it doesn't he kai???? your not going to let him die are you??? remember I still got french bread and its getting stiffer by the day. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/tongue.gif"><P>smoochies,
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 866 on Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:43 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KimiG:
<B> well I'M impressed sweet thang but mostly that you lived through it. he DOES live through it doesn't he kai???? your not going to let him die are you??? remember I still got french bread and its getting stiffer by the day. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/tongue.gif"><P>smoochies,
KimiG</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hey, watch that French bread, Kimi!! And as for whether Gen chan lives or not, well, that's up to him, and how much he <i>wants</i> to live. I know what it's like to lose that much blood, and that--surgeons notwithstanding--it takes an enormous amount of will to live through it. We'll see if he has enough fight in him to make it.<P>(~-^)<P>Kaichi
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Postby Max on Wed Mar 07, 2001 1:47 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cannonshop:
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Max had better watch his butt, that Crewchief looks to be one tough cookie...(snicker.) </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Feh! I'm not scared of her.<P>***looks around, quickly, to make sure she isn't within hearing distance***<P>------------------
Max<P>Fighter pilots do it <I>better.</I><p>[This message has been edited by Max (edited 03-07-2001).]
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Postby Cannonshop on Wed Mar 07, 2001 6:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Max:
<B> Feh! I'm not scared of her.<P>***looks around, quickly, to make sure she isn't within hearing distance***<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would be, she's pissed with you, Major, I sense a certain... Affection, (directed towards yourself) in her words, and manner, and a Jealous lady can do a lot of damage, esp. to a Pilot with your "ehm" Reputation... Better make nice with her, muy pronto.<P>
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Postby Ashandra on Thu Mar 08, 2001 3:48 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kaichi:
<B> Hey, watch that French bread, Kimi!! And as for whether Gen chan lives or not, well, that's up to him, and how much he <I>wants</I> to live. I know what it's like to lose that much blood, and that--surgeons notwithstanding--it takes an enormous amount of will to live through it. We'll see if he has enough fight in him to make it.<P>(~-^)<P>Kaichi</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>In that case, give him a pretty nurse to look at. I'm sure that will help. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>By the way...I would volunteer for that duty. Just so long as he isn't bleeding when he gets to me. Sorry, Gen-chan, but I'm not a big fan of blood.<P>*swoons*<P>Ash
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Postby Cannonshop on Thu Mar 08, 2001 6:15 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Max:
<B> Yeah...Diana likes me. But I have this thing about dating women I have to work around, you know?? She's not even my girlfriend and already she's causing me trouble. I'm just trying to do my job. At least the pretty blonde isn't on cruise with me. Not that I don't think Diana is cute. I do. She's just...she's...I don't know.<P>Sigh...women are so much trouble. Don't know why I like 'em so much. Well, okay. Maybe I do know. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Like I said, better make nice with her. I did NOT say "sleep with her", just make nice, treat her like "one of the Guys" until she's sure that's all you see her as. She'll lose interest as soon as she is sure you aren't hiding any of your own. (This works, I've used it, I Know, saved me from the Altar once...)
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