[ADMIN] Post Move Woes: Siteadmin, Autoupdate, and others...

Noise Monkey · Post by **Noise Monkey** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:55 am

I can log in, but does it work now? I can't, for instance, make it update. Although my archives seem to have gone poof.

NakedElf · Post by **NakedElf** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:13 am

STrRedWolf wrote:Hey Kisai? How hard would it be to mod phpBB and make these logins case sensitive? That'll probably get our users in the right mindset for logging into Siteadmin.

This sounds like an excellent idea to me.

Post by **Kisai** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:02 am

STrRedWolf wrote:Hey Kisai? How hard would it be to mod phpBB and make these logins case sensitive? That'll probably get our users in the right mindset for logging into Siteadmin.

Pay Attention wolf, I already modified the forum to use the Case-sensitive username to generate the password.

Now on the other hand if you want to make it so the forums are case sensitive, you are asking for a thwacking, since it would then allow case-indifferent versions of the same username. (ie, StReDwoLF would be a different user from STRedWOLF)

Post by **STrRedWolf** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:25 pm

Noise: What's your comic's username or URL, and I'll look at it.

Kisai: You mean you can't make just the forum login process case sensitive, so I can't log in as "strredwolf" instead of "STrRedWolf"? I'm not asking about making the forum signup case sensitive! That should be case insensitive.

Post by **Kisai** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:50 pm

What I'm saying is that the command is either "select ... like 'username'" or "select ... ='username", with the latter being case sensitive. I just figure people would then bitch about not being able to login to the forum anymore and flood the email address.

The reason it uses http authentication on the siteadmin case sensitive is that was the only way to make it work without having people make yet another password. We should not require people to know two passwords let alone three. That's why the wiki uses the forum password too. The wiki simply emulates the phpBB login process without the phpBB session manager. That being it has it's own session management.

The siteadmin on the otherhand does not have session management, nor checking for Man in the Middle reply attacks, there is additional code that would make it a 'session' manager I could add, but no web browser says they support it.

The reason websites, like hotmail and stuff don't popup http authentication boxes instead, is because they use a SSL site and send the username and password in the clear (like http basic authenticaiton) over it. We don't have that.

I could make the FTP require case sensitive, because originally at one point in time it was, then we forced them all to lowercase.

Going back to the forum username, I'm not sure why people pick a username with a capital letter and then never login with it, pure laziness. If we forced people to use that, then we'll just get people complaining. If I changed the actual login panel to use the same login process, then it would require being logged in to do everything, including read the forum.

Different strategies, ultimately, yes I could change it, but that would just piss off people since not everyone on the forum is also a CG author. If it ain't broke, don't fix.

The browser sends a md5 of the username, realm and password indirectly, therefor before I made the last adjustment, in theory if they always logged in with lowercase username, it would have generated a password against that lower case username, however people don't seem to always login with matching usernames, which is the reason for the problem.

Dragonaur · Post by **Dragonaur** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:56 pm

Kisai wrote:The browser sends a md5 of the username, realm and password indirectly, therefor before I made the last adjustment, in theory if they always logged in with lowercase username, it would have generated a password against that lower case username, however people don't seem to always login with matching usernames, which is the reason for the problem.

I wonder if the simplest solution is just to get a password reset? My comic has been dead for 3 weeks now.

Turnsky · Post by **Turnsky** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:56 am

i dunno what this means, but in my siteadmin stat tracker, might be a webalizer error or something but at the end of my referrals list i get a "23 4 0.00% XML error: EntityRef: expecting ';' at line 1234" then the search strings and 'agents' don't show up, nothing earth shattering i know, but i figured you guys might wanna know.

[geoduck] · Post by **[geoduck]** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:14 am

Turnsky wrote:i dunno what this means, but in my siteadmin stat tracker, might be a webalizer error or something but at the end of my referrals list i get a "23 4 0.00% XML error: EntityRef: expecting ';' at line 1234" then the search strings and 'agents' don't show up, nothing earth shattering i know, but i figured you guys might wanna know.

I've mentioned this problem before, so it's not just you. Both my July and August stats page do this, while everything before that works fine.

Post by **STrRedWolf** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:37 am

Dragonaur wrote:I wonder if the simplest solution is just to get a password reset? My comic has been dead for 3 weeks now.

Can you still log into your comic via FTP or via Quickadmin? Those use your comic's username.

Lady Yate-xel · Post by **Lady Yate-xel** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:48 am

[geoduck] wrote:
Turnsky wrote:i dunno what this means, but in my siteadmin stat tracker, might be a webalizer error or something but at the end of my referrals list i get a "23 4 0.00% XML error: EntityRef: expecting ';' at line 1234" then the search strings and 'agents' don't show up, nothing earth shattering i know, but i figured you guys might wanna know.
I've mentioned this problem before, so it's not just you. Both my July and August stats page do this, while everything before that works fine.

Same here. Mine craps out a few lines into the referrals as well( XML error: EntityRef: expecting ';' at line 1144), but it's only August's. July's shows no errors at all for me.

Post by **Kisai** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:25 am

I have to look into it for the webalizer stuff, because that requires a code recompile, but it's likely something to do with a bad referrer that isn't escaped.

Dragonaur, have you 'logged out' and 'logged in' to the forums and then into the siteadmin with your username spelled and case exactly as it is in the forum?

make sure if you are logging out of the siteadmin, to hit the 'logout' link, not back, you can type in anything, or nothing, punch cancel, then click 'login'

Geekblather · Post by **Geekblather** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:54 pm

Hm. I have kind of a weird issue. My regular comic (geekblather) updates fine, so long as I do all the right stuff on my end (like having comics to put up.)

But I'm also organizing Keenswim, and the autoupdate for that seems to be broked. I have to hit Manual update every couple of days to keep it up and updating, even though all the comics are in the right place and the times are set right.

Rann109 · Post by **Rann109** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:47 pm

Mmmkay, after a lot of messing with I was able to login to the forums here and siteadmin and actually updated my comic using the ftp there(first time ever) instead of my CuteFTP. But I can't get the indextemplate to update no matter what combination I used (Browse,find my template in my documents,open,click"Send File",or hit "Index Update" instead of the send file button.) After numerous tries and combinations I tried "Full Update" in desperation,still no dice. I checked the file and I'm sure I'm trying to send the right one. I edit it using notepad.
Also, trying to get the right info back in my CuteFTP. Is ComicGenesis_Cecilia.com right? I put in the same username and password as here in the forums and siteadmin, and what is the FTP site connection port number? I think it says "21". Still can't get it to work. Everything worked so well for these past few years I kinda forgot a lot of little tricks and this has been a re-learning experience. Thanks for all your efforts! It's been a great six years! -Rann http://wereworld.comicgenesis.com

Rianeva · Post by **Rianeva** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:15 pm

Try ftp'ing to wereworld.comicgenesis.com and see how that works.

Dr Neo Lao · Post by **Dr Neo Lao** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:24 pm

Yes.

Use

ftp.wereworld.comicgenesis.com
Forum Username (case sensitive)
Forum password (also case sensitive)

CuteFTP should give you access to your account's files. Once you are in, upload indextemplate.html to the workspace folder.

Don't know what I'm talking about? Read this.

Out of curiosity, where did you get the idea that you need to ftp to ComicGenesis_Cecilia.com from???

Post by **STrRedWolf** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:23 pm

DO NOT USE ftp.comicusername.comicgenesis.com. Instead, kill the "ftp." and just use "comicusername.comicgenesis.com" (Ex: stalag99.comicgenesis.com).

If you have a third party domain pointing to your comic, just use that. (ex: stalag99.net).

Dr Neo Lao wrote:Out of curiosity, where did you get the idea that you need to ftp to ComicGenesis_Cecilia.com from???

Someone must of took our codenames for each server and mistaken them for domains... I know we print 'em out in SiteAdmin but that's for me and Kisai to keep track of 'em. (Besides, a few comics that are testing AutoGenesis are on Keenspace_Sandy, but that'll change to ComicGenesis_Sandy soon...)

Post by **Kisai** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:35 pm

geekblather wrote:Hm. I have kind of a weird issue. My regular comic (geekblather) updates fine, so long as I do all the right stuff on my end (like having comics to put up.)

But I'm also organizing Keenswim, and the autoupdate for that seems to be broked. I have to hit Manual update every couple of days to keep it up and updating, even though all the comics are in the right place and the times are set right.

Check if autoupdate is turned on, you may need to turn on 'advanced edit' in the siteadmin for the comic data. At some point any comic that hadn't updated in 6 months had their updates turned off

Rann109 · Post by **Rann109** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:39 pm

Dr Neo Lao wrote:Yes.

Out of curiosity, where did you get the idea that you need to ftp to ComicGenesis_Cecilia.com from???

Thanks,Doc!
Well,I had Butch.keenspace.com in the appropriate space before in my ftp and everything worked . I just looked for the new name and found it. I learned the minimum html because I wanted to do the comic and just fell into mah groove. When something like this happens, I just get helps from folks who know,but not before I try to figure it out. Don't like to bother people. I jes string coax cable at work,and sing AC/DC Bon Scott songs in my band! Later!-Rann

Rann109 · Post by **Rann109** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:09 pm

Thanks,Rianeva,Doc,and Wolf, but after all that I get "Authentication Failed" in my ftp and the username login window appears. After I fill that out,the password window appears and then the username window and so on ad nauseum. Any ideas?

Dragonaur · Post by **Dragonaur** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:12 pm

STrRedWolf wrote:Can you still log into your comic via FTP or via Quickadmin? Those use your comic's username.

Nope. When you first finished the server work/move I couldn't log in via the normal siteadmin and so I used http://siteadmin.keenspace.com:8080/cgi-bin/web-ftp.cgi I used my old all lowercase login with my old password. That worked once. But the next week that stopped working too. It just times out and gives me a "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" web page response. I figured that script went away. Is there a replacement?